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That's not the problem. The problem is you have absolutely no idea what Microsoft is doing and no way to verify it. It could be full of security holes or backdoors which Microsoft would happily hand over to the right gunman.
Truecrypt isn't full of security holes or backdoors. Especially not that Microsoft would have. It's open source and heavily checked out and scrutinized.
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Truecrypt isn't full of security holes or backdoors. Especially not that Microsoft would have. It's open source and heavily checked out and scrutinized.
I wasn't talking about Truecrypt.
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I wasn't talking about Truecrypt.
Oh you meant the encryption of the page file by Windows. That's why I was saying total disk encryption by Truecrypt would be the only way to truly protect that.
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How much ram do you have? Put the pagefile on a ram drive
That doesn't make any sense... you're better off just turning off the pagefile and using that extra RAM in that case.

OP: Why are you so concerned with this? You may be overdoing the entire security thing.
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OP: Why are you so concerned with this? You may be overdoing the entire security thing.
What's the point of encrypting a file to protect it when your encryption key may be written to your hard drive's page file every time you shutdown? It's like locking your door and then leaving a key under the mat or some other obvious place.

hiberfil.sys and pagefile.sys are major security holes for passwords and other data in Windows. For those of you who don't realize how easy it is to extract information from them, Google it.
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That doesn't make any sense... you're better off just turning off the pagefile and using that extra RAM in that case.

OP: Why are you so concerned with this? You may be overdoing the entire security thing.
reboot page file gone does it make sense now?
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Truecrypt isn't full of security holes or backdoors. Especially not that Microsoft would have. It's open source and heavily checked out and scrutinized.
http://www.h-online.com/security/Boo...--/news/113884
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Not sure if I buy that when even the FBI was unable to crack a Truecrypt encrypted HDD after working on it for more than a year.

http://www.webcitation.org/query?url...el-dantas.html

Read the info on Truecrypt.org and you'll understand why it is impossible to crack their full system encryption other than 'maybe' being able to extract the encryption key from the RAM if you you're able to get a hold of sticks within 35 seconds of the system being shutdown.
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post #29 of 34
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Not sure if I buy that when even the FBI was unable to crack a Truecrypt encrypted HDD after working on it for more than a year.

http://www.webcitation.org/query?url...el-dantas.html

Read the info on Truecrypt.org and you'll understand why it is impossible to crack their full system encryption other than 'maybe' being able to extract the encryption key from the RAM if you you're able to get a hold of sticks within 35 seconds of the system being shutdown.
its the same as bitlocker. its not cracking it while the system is still running aren't you concerned that someone takes your drive or access it offline and then viewing it? If shadow copy and ms shadow copy provider is disabled and if your busy using windows they it can't be accessed because its locked. Only way to access it is offline either by a 2nd os on your pc, a boot disk or putting the drive in another pc. If you have a vm around you load linux up and try to access or copy the pagefile over to the vm and see if your manage to do it.

The best option will be to encrypt the entire drive using truecrypt or bitlocker or whatever app you want use. Do not encrypt only a part of it. You might want to enable efs in windows aswell if its not enabled already.

and yes truecrypt has been cracked its old news as truecrypt don't guarantee your data against malware
http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=malware

Remember the mbr is not encrypted. A bootkit and then the attacker waiting for you to log on stealing your password can be done. Bitlocker don't have this security hole luckily.
But that must be some desperate sod to go thru all that effort or you must have secrets of the deepest nature on your pc in the line of who killed JFK etc lol

Just google truecrypt cracked the net is full of it. Been done in 2008 already.
Edited by Spooony - 5/1/11 at 10:39pm
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Security is a process, not a product.

The absolute first thing you have to do is to clearly define the threats you face. What is it that you're securing yourself from? Only then can you begin to determine whether any given solution is effective at mitigating those threats.
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