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Hey guys the time has come to add another card, I heard that the SLI scaling with te 460's is excellent and im looking to go to SLI for first time. With the rig that I have and the res im playing 1080p, I think that you will agree that adding another will give me a significant performance boost.

Now my question is, what card should I go with? I will be watercooling the card and adding it to my loop (if temps increase then I'll add another rad later) so stock cooling is not something thats applicible to me. Atm I have a gainward gtx460 that does ok, however, I thought about trying a different brand so suggestions will be greatly appreciated.


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As you will watercool the new GTX460, so its cooling (whether reference or a more-beefy-than-reference, internal or external exhaust) does not matter.

Now, considering overclockability, if the new card has a higher oc potential than your present oc, then it will not be fully utilized as it will be held back by your current Gainward GTX460 in a SLI setup (ie 2 cards must work at the same clocks). It is a waste.

If the new card has a lower oc potential, then your Gainward's present oc will similarly not be fully utilized in order to match the new card's. Then it is a waste of your Gainward.

So, my conclusion is to get another Gainward, with the aim of getting the same oc. And a bonus is that a Gainward is usually slightly cheaper than other brands as well.
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As you will watercool the new GTX460, so its cooling (whether reference or a more-beefy-than-reference, internal or external exhaust) does not matter.

Now, considering overclockability, if the new card has a higher oc potential than your present oc, then it will not be fully utilized as it will be held back by your current Gainward GTX460 in a SLI setup (ie 2 cards must work at the same clocks). It is a waste.

If the new card has a lower oc potential, then your Gainward's present oc will similarly not be fully utilized in order to match the new card's. Then it is a waste of your Gainward.

So, my conclusion is to get another Gainward, with the aim of getting the same oc. And a bonus is that a Gainward is usually slightly cheaper than other brands as well.
Thanks for the suggestion +rep

Actually the highest I've pushed my gainward was 960core but I leave it at 900 with 1.09v. Is there any brand other than the gainward you would suggest that has similar overclocking capabilities like the one I have. I do know that every gpu/cpu and pretty much everything is different but I was hoping to know which brands stand out more than others when it comes to overclocking them.

EDIT: Btw if it clocks higher then i'll sell my gainward and get the same brand
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EVGA provides good warranty and they support water cooling. their design is reference so your block will fit well. just get any reference design really.
enjoy SLI! i know i'm enjoying mine

oh and i'd like to see some 1 GHz benchmarks if possible
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EVGA provides good warranty and they support water cooling. their design is reference so your block will fit well. just get any reference design really.
enjoy SLI! i know i'm enjoying mine

oh and i'd like to see some 1 GHz benchmarks if possible
what block huh? im already using the wb on my 460 Im looking to get another wb or just mod my apogee gt and see how well that works.

960core was the highest I could go with the gainward, but we'll see ig my next card has better luck.

So thats one for EVGA, what else guys? Im leaning towards the msi cyclone.
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i'd like to see some 1 GHz benchmarks if possible
i am going to do that as soon as i get my build done, but you will have to wait a while for me to do 2 and bench 2 at 1ghz, btw.... do you mean 1ghz as in 1024, or 1000?
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what block huh? im already using the wb on my 460 Im looking to get another wb or just mod my apogee gt and see how well that works.

960core was the highest I could go with the gainward, but we'll see ig my next card has better luck.

So thats one for EVGA, what else guys? Im leaning towards the msi cyclone.
Are you leaning towards this MSI Cyclone (N460GTX Cyclone 1GD5/OC) ?
Link:http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-m...2x-dvi-i-mhdmi

If yes, I suggest you to also consider MSI's N460GTX-MD1GD5/OC.
Link:http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-m...i-i-hdmi-d-sub

Both cards have the same factory pre-overclocking (Core 725MHz and Memory 3600MHz. Scan lists the latter even having a slightly higher Shader clock of 1450MHz vs the Cyclone's 1350MHz. This could be a typing mistake and I cannot confirm it in the official site).
Both have the same high 'military class' components.

The only difference seems to be the Cyclone's better cooler (and a slightly better output options). But this is just a waste as you will watercool it.

Additionally, Cyclone costs £136 while the other costs £120.

So, IMHO, N460GTX-MD1GD5/OC is a better deal.
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If yes, I suggest you to also consider MSI's N460GTX-MD1GD5/OC.
Link:http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-m...i-i-hdmi-d-sub

Additionally, Cyclone costs £136 while the other costs £120.

So, IMHO, N460GTX-MD1GD5/OC is a better deal.


The second one you linked looks pretty decent for that price. What do you think about the ASUS GTX 460 directCU II TOP model? At the moment it's either the one you linked me or the Asus one, unless there is some other ones I should be considering.
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The second one you linked looks pretty decent for that price. What do you think about the ASUS GTX 460 directCU II TOP model? At the moment it's either the one you linked me or the Asus one, unless there is some other ones I should be considering.

Asus GTX460 DirectCu TOP has 2 main selling features:- better stock cooling and a higher factory pre-overclocking (775/4000 vs 725/3600).

1) The DirectCu's better cooling will not come into play but rather wasted as you will watercool.
2) For the higher factory pre-overclocking, I expect you will reach beyond those numbers and so this is also not relevant much.

For ultimate overclockability, it seems the Asus card has no major advantage over others. Quoted from TPU:-
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The overclocks of our card are 865 MHz core (12% overclock) and 1040 MHz Memory (4% overclock). These clocks are in line with our expectations for a GTX 460 SKU but not revolutionary. It should also be considered that the card comes overclocked out of the box which already represents 15% core overclock.
(TPU likely did not push the card to its limit)

Asus does have 'Voltage Tweak' whose usefulness I am not sure of.

Summarily speaking, once the 2 main selling features are 'neutralized', I would rather have the MSI's than this Asus, especially Asus' price is certainly 'significantly' higher than MSI's £120.
(I cannot find the TOP version in Scan but the basic Asus GTX460 DirectCu is selling at £171).
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-a...2xdl-dvi-mhdmi
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Very informative thank you for the explanation.

If both where the same price which would you go for? im thinking the asus.....
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