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Hey everyone


I'm putting together a new system and case for my next rig. I've just decided on the main components, and now I want to work out what my loop should look like so that I can start working out the dimensions of my case.

Hardware:
i7 860
ASUS P7P55D-E Pro
GB G.Skill 1600mhz RAM
Gigabyte GTX 275 OC
Corsair TX650
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1 Samsung F4 2TB hd
ASUS Xonar Essence STX
Pioneer BDR-206MBK

I know a lot of that information is unnecessary as far as designing the water-cooling loop is concerned, but I didn't think it could hurt.

1. I want to be able to water-cool the processor and graphics card, and possibly the motherboard.

2. I want enough ceiling to be able to achieve a moderate over clock (for every day use).

3. I want whatever pump/radiator/fan combination I end up with to be as quiet as possible. I can't stress enough how important that is.

4. Space is not hugely important. I can't go crazy, but the case will be custom, so I can design around whatever I need to.

I'm thinking of using this for the GPU. Other than that, I really don't have a good sense of what I need for this build. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

My budget is like my space restraints. I can't go crazy, but I saved a little extra from the hardware and I can spend that on the cooling.

Thanks everyone!
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post #2 of 14
If you're going for silence, get the exact same setup as me:

EK 275 Block
XSPC RX360 Radiator
3 x Gentle Typhoon AP-15 (or AP-14's) + a fan controller
MCP355 Pump (MCP 350 is a little quieter)
XSPC Bay Reservoir w/ 350/355 pump housing
Tubing & fittings of your choice

You could choose any reservoir you want, really. It doesn't matter. The loudest component in my rig is the pump, and it's really not loud. Maybe whisper volume.
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Originally Posted by jNSK;13316453 
If you're going for silence, get the exact same setup as me:

EK 275 Block
XSPC RX360 Radiator
3 x Gentle Typhoon AP-15 (or AP-14's) + a fan controller
MCP355 Pump (MCP 350 is a little quieter)
XSPC Bay Reservoir w/ 350/355 pump housing
Tubing & fittings of your choice

You could choose any reservoir you want, really. It doesn't matter. The loudest component in my rig is the pump, and it's really not loud. Maybe whisper volume.

Thanks for the info! What would the difference between the AP-15s and 14s be?
I don't want to use a full block because I will be upgrading my graphics card at some point.
Anyone else want to weigh in?


What fittings and tubing would you all reccomend? I can imagine fittings are a fairly important part to get right, and I don't want it raining inside my case.
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Originally Posted by jNSK;13316453 
If you're going for silence, get the exact same setup as me:

EK 275 Block
XSPC RX360 Radiator
3 x Gentle Typhoon AP-15 (or AP-14's) + a fan controller
MCP355 Pump (MCP 350 is a little quieter)
XSPC Bay Reservoir w/ 350/355 pump housing
Tubing & fittings of your choice

You could choose any reservoir you want, really. It doesn't matter. The loudest component in my rig is the pump, and it's really not loud. Maybe whisper volume.

It seems like the XSPC radiators are incredibly expensive compared to some others. Newegg has a Swiftech 4x120mm radiator for $65. Is this a good choice, or is there something horribly wrong with it? I've decided I want to go for a 480 in order to create headroom for another graphics card in the future.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by imblind;13328053 
It seems like the XSPC radiators are incredibly expensive compared to some others. Newegg has a Swiftech 4x120mm radiator for $65. Is this a good choice, or is there something horribly wrong with it? I've decided I want to go for a 480 in order to create headroom for another graphics card in the future.

I think those radiators are really thin and aren't that great, the XSPC radiators are very well made especially for slower fans.
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Originally Posted by fenderlove0`;13330837 
I think those radiators are really thin and aren't that great, the XSPC radiators are very well made especially for slower fans.

There isn't much difference in performance between MCR320 and RX360 : http://skinneelabs.com/xspc-rx360-v2/2/ & http://skinneelabs.com/v1-swiftech-mcr-320-qp/4/ . Swiftech may be thinner but it performs very nicely.
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Originally Posted by mm67;13331115 
There isn't much difference in performance between MCR320 and RX360 : http://skinneelabs.com/xspc-rx360-v2/2/ & http://skinneelabs.com/v1-swiftech-mcr-320-qp/4/ . Swiftech may be thinner but it performs very nicely.

if its thinner, that also means I can turn the fans down more doesn't it?
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if its thinner, that also means I can turn the fans down more doesn't it?

No, thinner does not mean you can use slow fans and expect great performance. Swiftech rads perform best with medium speed fans around 1500rpm.

Also, a 360 is more than enough headroom for you to have 2 gpus and a cpu on it. With 1500 rpm fans a 360 can dissipate around 500W and only slied 580s with a cpu would give you poorer temps in that range of fans.

The XSPC RX series and the HWLabs SR series perform the best with low speed fans.
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Originally Posted by Kinru;13333907 
No, thinner does not mean you can use slow fans and expect great performance. Swiftech rads perform best with medium speed fans around 1500rpm.

Also, a 360 is more than enough headroom for you to have 2 gpus and a cpu on it. With 1500 rpm fans a 360 can dissipate around 500W and only slied 580s with a cpu would give you poorer temps in that range of fans.

The XSPC RX series and the HWLabs SR series perform the best with low speed fans.

I didn't mean that thinner radiators are perform better with slow fans, I was really trying to say that I think with slow fans it is probably better to spread the surface area of the radiator out laterally.
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I didn't mean that thinner radiators are perform better with slow fans, I was really trying to say that I think with slow fans it is probably better to spread the surface area of the radiator out laterally.

It's all about the FPI. FPI means Fins Per Inch. The lower the fins per inch, the more the radiator is suited to slower fans. There are plenty of reviews of fan speed vs. radiators out there - check out the ones on Skinneelabs, they make awesome graphs.

The XSPC do tend to be dearer however they're worth it. If you can't go that extra mile, the Swiftech MCR320 is an awesome radiator for the price. A friend of mine got one of those and he loves it. It'll be perfect for your components.

The one on Newegg probably isn't much good for that price. You didn't list the model number so I have no idea which one you're talking about.

The difference between AP-14's and AP-15's are the speeds. 14 is 1300 (?)ish RPM and the AP-15 is 1800. Saying this, though, I use a fan controller to turn my AP-15's down to 1500 RPM anyway. The AP-15 has a nicer noise, it sounds more gentle, in my opinion.

As for fittings & tubings, I went for compression fittings because they look good. You can go for barbs and clamps, it's completely up to you. The tubing size is also up to you - I always use 1/2" ID 3/4" OD because I find it looks better and is easy to work with. As for manufacturer, always PrimoFlex Pro LRT.

And remember, always use distilled water, do not get UV colourant. It gunks up water cooling components. Distilled water + PT_Nuke / Kill Coil + Tubing (UV tubing if you want it) is all you need.
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