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Exactly, I'm not saying I'm against the research with stem cells but I'd really prefer if they used other kinds of stem cells if possible, a lot of you guys seem to have absolutely no problem with killing what is essentially a human being, if you begin to disregard the value of life like that it can only lead to worse thing, like using full grown humans for research or for their cells.
But you're dead wrong.

It's NOT a human being. Not any more than a sperm.

It can't feel, it can't think, it can't be happy or sad. It's nothing more than a plant.
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post #52 of 81
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Exactly, I'm not saying I'm against the research with stem cells but I'd really prefer if they used other kinds of stem cells if possible, a lot of you guys seem to have absolutely no problem with killing what is essentially a human being, if you begin to disregard the value of life like that it can only lead to worse thing, like using full grown humans for research or for their cells.
aren't there stem cells in umbilical cords? are you saying an umbilical cord is a human being? sure, its part of one; but it definitely isn't one. It's like saying every time you get a haircut someone is killing you.

what you're referring to is the practice of getting it from a placenta, not the actual cells themselves.
    
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post #53 of 81
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But you're dead wrong.

It's NOT a human being. Not any more than a sperm.

It can't feel, it can't think, it can't be happy or sad. It's nothing more than a plant.
That's why I said I'd prefer they use other methods, if they can't then the use of embryonic stem cells should be strictly regulated, some countries authorize the conception of embryos strictly for research which I think is plain wrong.

What I mean to say is that if you send the message to scientists and politicians that using embryos is okay and isn"t a big deal at all, you encourage them to go further in the use of human life for research (and profit). You got to tell them that's it's ok to use those cells because there's no alternative and that it is still morally ambiguous.

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aren't there stem cells in umbilical cords? are you saying an umbilical cord is a human being? sure, its part of one; but it definitely isn't one. It's like saying every time you get a haircut someone is killing you.
Of course not I don't consider an umbilical cord a human being, for one it will never evolve to become one unlike the embryo.
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aren't there stem cells in umbilical cords? are you saying an umbilical cord is a human being? sure, its part of one; but it definitely isn't one. It's like saying every time you get a haircut someone is killing you.

what you're referring to is the practice of getting it from a placenta, not the actual cells themselves.
Yes, no, they're okay with part of a living human dying, like hair, skin, etc.

They are not okay with a fertilized egg being killed.

Even though all of those things care just as much as being killed.
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That's why I said I'd prefer they use other methods, if they can't then the use of embryonic stem cells should be strictly regulated, some countries authorize the conception of embryos strictly for research which I think is plain wrong.

What I mean to say is that if you send the message to scientists and politicians that using embryos is okay and isn"t a big deal at all, you encourage them to go further in the use of human life for research (and profit). You got to tell them that's it's ok to use those cells because there's no alternative and that it is still morally ambiguous.
But it's NOT morally ambiguous!

Using living tissue that is not conscious is just as morally wrong as cutting hair.

You want to know what is truly morally wrong? Experiments involving LIVE subjects, like in WW2.

This? This is nothing. Just some sperm and eggs which are not and will never be alive.
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Yes, no, they're okay with part of a living human dying, like hair, skin, etc.

They are not okay with a fertilized egg being killed.

Even though all of those things care just as much as being killed.
By that logic it's also completely ok to expirement on human corpses because "they don't care" anymore.
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But you're dead wrong.

It's NOT a human being. Not any more than a sperm.

It can't feel, it can't think, it can't be happy or sad. It's nothing more than a plant.
But if the embryo isn't destroyed, it WILL become a human being. It will feel, think, and become sentient. A plant never will, nor will sperm.
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It should be banned it's not ethical to use fetus
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but you're dead wrong.

It's not a human being. Not any more than a sperm.

It can't feel, it can't think, it can't be happy or sad. It's nothing more than a plant.
amen brotha!
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By that logic it's also completely ok to expirement on human corpses because "they don't care" anymore.
Of course it is.

The only thing that wouldn't be okay is doing is in front of their relatives because they obviously attain meaning towards the person.
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