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Originally Posted by BizzareRide View Post
XBL is not a requirement to play games.
Neither is PSN. This statement is very flawed. PSN is very similar to XBL on the playing front. Except that you have to pay for XBL.
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post #12 of 36
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Originally Posted by BizzareRide View Post
XBL is not a requirement to play games.

People pay for it because they feel it is worth it, so if you don't feel its worth it then simply don't pay for it, it's that simple.

PSN is in a position that it's in because of a fatal design flaw in it's security similar to how the console itself was hacked.

Neither of the other consoles have this problem.
But XBL is required to play online and download patches and content. The point of paying or not paying specifically pertains to the online services, so I don't even see the point you're trying to make by saying neither is required to play games offline. I agree?

People are not saying it because they feel it is worth it. I've never seen threads started before all of this saying "boy I'm happy I pay for XBL. it just feels so much more worth it because I pay for it!". This thread isn't even about XBL. They are just thread crapping because the fact that PSN is free has been a selling point for the PS3 for so long. Now the cost is justified to them and they want to pronounce it. PS3 users could say "but we're free." Now XBL users can point and say "free but hacked lolz."

As far as using the logic of "it hasn't happened before so it isn't possible", the very same thing could have been said about PSN until very recently. They were up for years without this happening.

Again, I guarantee if Microsoft came out publicly and said there's no hacker or group in the world that can steal our users' information, it would happen within a short time.

You draw a line in the sand, they will cross it.
Edited by Kaldari - 4/29/11 at 8:18pm
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post #13 of 36
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Originally Posted by BizzareRide View Post

XBL is not a requirement to play games.

People pay for it because they feel it is worth it, so if you don't feel its worth it then simply don't pay for it, it's that simple.

PSN is in a position that it's in because of a fatal design flaw in it's security similar to how the console itself was hacked.

Neither of the other consoles have this problem.
That isn't exactly right. You can't play games online without XBL. You can play them online on PSN. Many of the multi-platform games give you the exact same experience on PSN, and you don't have to pay.

Also XBL has had just as much if not more downtime as PSN has.
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post #14 of 36
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Originally Posted by BizzareRide View Post
PSN is in a position that it's in because of a fatal design flaw in it's security similar to how the console itself was hacked.

Neither of the other consoles have this problem.
HURR DURR! The 360 was cracked too, and runs pirated games fine. It even lets you play online if you do it right.

By the way, that we haven't heard of XBL having a security breach similar to this one doesn't mean it hasn't happened. It merely means that Microsoft chose to tell us, or that they just don't know.

Being clandestine should be the goal of every hacker. See, if you reveal yourself, you'll almost certainly lose access to whatever and maybe even risk repercussions. If nobody even noticed what you did, you win.

But you're probably right about a critical flaw. Sony said they're rebuilding the network - this probably means that the network structure was such that it was easier to get to the database containing personal information than it should have been.
Edited by Coma - 4/29/11 at 8:35pm
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That isn't exactly right. You can't play games online without XBL. You can play them online on PSN. Many of the multi-platform games give you the exact same experience on PSN, and you don't have to pay.

Also XBL has had just as much if not more downtime as PSN has.
Proof?

That still doesn't refute what I said. You don't have to buy an Xbox and you don't have to pay for online, it's 100% your option.

Whatever down-times XBL has had wasn't attributed to it being hacked and gamers were still compensated by getting a free game even though they could still use the service unlike current PSN users.
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I'm just pissed because I can't stream my netflix......which is a paid service. A free month would be nice to make up for this.
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I'm just pissed because I can't stream my netflix......which is a paid service. A free month would be nice to make up for this.
You can. At least I know I can and numerous others have said they can.

When you're asked to log into PSN after first opening netflix, click the sign in button and wait until you get the message about PSN being down for maintenance. Hit circle (back), and it should continue into Netflix.

The PSN prompt sometimes pops up a second time. Just do the same thing again.
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Neither is PSN. This statement is very flawed. PSN is very similar to XBL on the playing front. Except that you have to pay for XBL.
Okay so what? How is that a demerit? If you don't feel it's worth it, then you won't pay for it.

Are you going to go so far as to say that other people shouldn't pay for it because YOU don't feel it's worth it.

What point are you trying to make?

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But XBL is required to play online and download patches and content. The point of paying or not paying specifically pertains to the online services, so I don't even see the point you're trying to make by saying neither is required to play games offline. I agree?


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People are not saying it because they feel it is worth it. I've never seen threads started before all of this saying "boy I'm happy I pay for XBL. it just feels so much more worth it because I pay for it!". This thread isn't even about XBL. They are just thread crapping because the fact that PSN is free has been a selling point for the PS3 for so long. Now the cost is justified to them and they want to pronounce it. PS3 users could say "but we're free." Now XBL users can point and say "free but hacked lolz."
How do you know what people are saying... What sources do you have and what demographic have you polled?

If people don't feel it's worth it then they won't pay for it. It really is that simple...


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As far as using the logic of "it hasn't happened before so it isn't possible", the very same thing could have been said about PSN until very recently. They were up for years without this happening.
I haven't said anything remotely close to this. Stop building up strawmen. Fact is, PSN was hacked and XBL hasn't been. I'm not making it claims of it's possibility/impossibility.

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Again, I guarantee if Microsoft came out publicly and said there's no hacker or group in the world that can steal our users' information, it would happen within a short time.

You draw a line in the sand, they will cross it.
What company would say this provided it's even remotely true?

Did Sony say this very thing? If they didn't and yet they were still hacked, why would this be a requisite for something to be hacked... This makes no sense!

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HURR DURR! The 360 was cracked too, and runs pirated games fine. It even lets you play online if you do it right.
Yeah I'm aware of that, but that is no justification in my opinion. It certainly isn't crippling to companies that want to develop for XBL.

I'm pretty sure Xbox prints money.

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Originally Posted by Coma View Post
By the way, that we haven't heard of XBL having a security breach similar to this one doesn't mean it hasn't happened. It merely means that Microsoft chose to tell us, or that they just don't know.
How can they not know? It's their network lol... They honestly don't have to tell us because the person that hacked it will.

People hack for the challenge and recognition so it's pretty much a given that these people will boast about it.

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Being clandestine should be the goal of every hacker. See, if you reveal yourself, you'll almost certainly lose access to whatever and maybe even risk repercussions. If nobody even noticed what you did, you win.
That certainly hasn't been the demeanor of most hackers as of late. I honestly can't recall any hacker that wants no recognition for what he did.

Heck, we have an entire competition dedicated to hacking. Hacking has become a sport that glorifies intrusive activity. It's akin to a burglar breaking into a prison just to prove he can.

What hack wouldn't want to glory of being known as the guy who foiled a multi-billion dollar company.

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But you're probably right about a critical flaw. Sony said they're rebuilding the network - this probably means that the network structure was such that it was easier to get to the database containing personal information than it should have been.
This is the second time that hackers have found a critical flaw in Sony's design choices. They are, after all, a hardware company and not a software one.
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I haven't said anything remotely close to this. Stop building up strawmen. Fact is, PSN was hacked and XBL hasn't been. I'm not making it claims of it's possibility/impossibility.
Shows what you know. XBL has been exploiting many times in multiple ways.

Nobody's building "strawmen." The entire point of this discussion is about whether or not paying for something makes that service worth more in terms of how secure it is. If you're not denying that XBL being hacked is a possibility (which no one here can), then what are you trying to say? That's the whole reason XBL users keep chiming in on these PSN threads.
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