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Just because a 2500k runs GTA4 much better than a phenom 2 does not mean the phenom is a bottleneck, pioneer. It just means that the 2500k is a better cpu. A bottleneck would typically be defined as a major throttler of performance, for example if you had a 2500k and onboard graphics, the onboard graphics is a bottleneck.

If the OP was running quad 580's or something like that, than yes his CPU would be a bottleneck, but you cannot have a bottleneck in a system where all parts are roughly equal. People need to stop throwing the word "bottleneck" around so frivolously.
yes but its still a bottleneck
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You must have a bottleneck! You are only getting 110 FPS and your GPU's are lazy for not being 100% all the time in such a stupidly coded game, whether our CPU is 100% or not!!!

can you not turn this into a flame war please i know your trying hard to
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Just because a 2500k runs GTA4 much better than a phenom 2 does not mean the phenom is a bottleneck, pioneer. It just means that the 2500k is a better cpu. A bottleneck would typically be defined as a major throttler of performance, for example if you had a 2500k and onboard graphics, the onboard graphics is a bottleneck.

If the OP was running quad 580's or something like that, than yes his CPU would be a bottleneck, but you cannot have a bottleneck in a system where all parts are roughly equal. People need to stop throwing the word "bottleneck" around so frivolously.
What I am referring to IS a bottleneck, at least with GTA IV.

Athlon II x4 @ 3.85GHz = 25 FPS rough average (GTX 470, medium settings)
i5 @ 4.0GHz = 40-45 FPS average (same 470, maxed out settings completely)

I'd say that's a pretty significant difference in performance.

If GTA IV is silky smooth to you at 20-30 FPS, then by all means.....
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Just because a 2500k runs GTA4 much better than a phenom 2 does not mean the phenom is a bottleneck, pioneer. It just means that the 2500k is a better cpu. A bottleneck would typically be defined as a major throttler of performance, for example if you had a 2500k and onboard graphics, the onboard graphics is a bottleneck.

If the OP was running quad 580's or something like that, than yes his CPU would be a bottleneck, but you cannot have a bottleneck in a system where all parts are roughly equal. People need to stop throwing the word "bottleneck" around so frivolously.

indeed. I happen to know what im talking about. when I say a CPU is not a bottleneck, I meant its not a bottleneck, im not lying, saying it for the sake of trolling or saying it because I own one, Im saying it because I know

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What I am referring to IS a bottleneck, at least with GTA IV.

Athlon II x4 @ 3.85GHz = 25 FPS rough average (GTX 470, medium settings)
i5 @ 4.0GHz = 40-45 FPS average (same 470, maxed out settings completely)

I'd say that's a pretty significant difference in performance.

If GTA IV is silky smooth to you at 20-30 FPS, then by all means.....
may I ask what chipset you were using? silky sth is when the frame rate is stuck to the 60 MAX actually
Edited by JY - 4/29/11 at 8:39pm
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Starters, your motherboard can't actually handle a 1090T, especially overclocked (I shouldn't be using mine, I'm scared of OCing it at all) because the boards aren't really able to do a 140w processor, despite what they may claim. Check over in the AMD forums for a thread talking about VRMs... it makes the killed 570 thread look like a normal failure rate.

If you can bump your x4 to a healthy 3.8-4.2Ghz and NB to 2.4Ghz+, you'll remove a large portion of the bottleneck, but you're not going to remove it entirely with a AMD processor atm.
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yes but its still a bottleneck
Right now the slowest components in your system are your Hard Disk Drive and your DVD-ROM. Are they slowing down your GTX 480? No. Neither is your Phenom II. If there is an application need for 100% GPU load, then your GPU will load, and your Phenom II will definitely not hold it back.

What you might see, however, is physics effects rendering a little slower on the older Phenom II than on a newer Sandybridge, and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the relationship between CPU and GPU.

Do learn what a bottleneck really is.
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Overclocking will help, for now. If you ever plan on going with bigger GPU or another 480 it wont. You need a balance of multiple cores and high clocks. Good GPU and games tend to benefit alot from higher clocks vs more cores.

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Right now the slowest components in your system are your Hard Disk Drive and your DVD-ROM. Are they slowing down your GTX 480? No. Neither is your Phenom II. If there is an application need for 100% GPU load, then your GPU will load, and your Phenom II will definitely not hold it back.

What you might see, however, is physics effects rendering a little slower on the older Phenom II than on a newer Sandybridge, and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the relationship between CPU and GPU.

Do learn what a bottleneck really is.
If that where the case then why would higher clocks get the GPU a better load? as stated by another user with a 955 he clocked his higher and it helped.

Regardless which way you look at it the CPU is the problem. Try overclocking that bad boy and see if it helps.
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Right now the slowest components in your system are your Hard Disk Drive and your DVD-ROM. Are they slowing down your GTX 480? No. Neither is your Phenom II. If there is an application need for 100% GPU load, then your GPU will load, and your Phenom II will definitely not hold it back.

What you might see, however, is physics effects rendering a little slower on the older Phenom II than on a newer Sandybridge, and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the relationship between CPU and GPU.

Do learn what a bottleneck really is.
so please explain to me why my cpu isnt being used 100% please explain
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indeed. I happen to know what im talking about. when I say a CPU is not a bottleneck, I meant its not a bottleneck, im not lying, saying it for the sake of trolling or saying it because I own one, Im saying it because I know



may I ask what chipset you were using? silky sth is when the frame rate is stuck to the 60 MAX actually
I never once said you were trolling. I'm just EXTREMELY doubtful about the performance you claim, since I just moved off my AMD setup to this i5 setup.

I was on the 790FX chipset. With my GTX470. Coming from an HD4890. Saw literally no increase in GTA IV between the two cards. GPU usage on the GTX470 stayed around 55-60% or so in GTA IV.

I would honestly like to see a benchmark of GTA IV, EFLC if you would be so kind (just PM it to me, to keep this thread clear...or make your own thread and PM me a link?).

Again, not calling you a liar or anything....but I am calling it as I see it. I think that you might not actually be getting the framerates you think you are.

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Right now the slowest components in your system are your Hard Disk Drive and your DVD-ROM. Are they slowing down your GTX 480? No. Neither is your Phenom II. If there is an application need for 100% GPU load, then your GPU will load, and your Phenom II will definitely not hold it back.

What you might see, however, is physics effects rendering a little slower on the older Phenom II than on a newer Sandybridge, and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the relationship between CPU and GPU.

Do learn what a bottleneck really is.
When GPU usage is at 55-60% with an AMD setup, and then its at 99% usage on the i5...I think its safe to say its a bottleneck.
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so please explain to me why my cpu isnt being used 100% please explain
If your CPU isn't being used 100% then it should be obvious that it is not a bottleneck.

Perhaps we should back up a bit to kindergarten GPU talk.

1st we need to see what your settings are in your game. Example: Is V-Synch turned on?




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If your CPU isn't being used 100% then it should be obvious that it is not a bottleneck.

Perhaps we should back up a bit to kindergarten GPU talk.

1st we need to see what your settings are in your game. Example: Is V-Synch turned on?




Dimaggio, I suggest you back off before I troll you so bad again that you start crying to the mods to come and delete the posts. As a matter of fact, I strongly suggest you block me from here on out so that you can no longer be offended by me reposting your embarrassing benchmarks with your first name on them. That's just a suggestion, of course.
sorry i accidently put cpu instead of gpu but anyway vsync is not on and yet you have still yet to explain what it means when the GPU isnt at 100% or 99% and its spikes down to 70% or so?
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