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post #11 of 21
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HAF 932 with blue LED fans
HAF 932 with USB 3.0
HAF X

Both the 932 and X have great cooling and cable management, and cheaper than the thermaltake. Though some people don't like the looks. =)

Also, unless you're sure you'll need 8GB RAM, you might want to opt for 4 or 6 instead. I have 6 and I don't think I've ever seen more than 50% usage.
I like that 932, I can see now that any more than $150 for a full atx tower is probably overpaying. What about the fan speed adjustability on that thermaltake though? Worth it at all or do the motherboards generally just take care of that automatically?
Edited by zdub303 - 4/30/11 at 12:23pm
post #12 of 21
I think you can set it to control the fans, but it might depend on the motherboard. You could also look into getting a separate fan controller.
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No Worrys about x8/x8 on CF. I had the same issue, when 1155 P67 came out. I was one of the few that didn't seem to believe the benchmark numbers.
Now, there "may" be a difference between x16/x16, but that difference when compared to x8/x8 is so minimal that it's not to worry about.

Put simply, You will be hard pressed to see any in-game performance difference. So, You're set for future CF!
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post #14 of 21
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Awesome, i'm getting really excited about this build! Just gotta save up a paycheck or two and I can start ordering parts in a few weeks!

I've always just bought a computer in the past but this time I think i'm gonna get so much more performance at a cheaper price point than buying prebuilt systems. I've never had a computer this powerful (relatively of course lol), I can't wait.
post #15 of 21
I like everything but the case.
And if you have the money to get the product with a superior driver set/more features/superb reliability, onboard PhsyX/CUDA and superior tessellation performance, get it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-582-_-Product

A little tweak puts you at 580 performance.
Only consider Radeons for large resolution eyefinity setups or budget builds IMO.
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Nice build. I think 2133 RAM is overkill though. 1600 is all you need, IMO. I'd go with these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231428 You're already over budget and the minimal gain you get from the 2133 RAM won't pay off. That money would best used elsewhere on your build.

Look into the Silver Arrow cooler as well.
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post #17 of 21
I can testify (preach it!) to the benefits of the Thermalright Silver Arrow CPU HSF. I have it in my Sig Rig [below], and I am very happy with my Hyper-Threaded Overclocking Result.

The Noctua NH-D14 and the Thermalright Silver Arrow are (arguably) the top Air Coolers on the market at the moment. However, in light of so light research on OC'ing the i7 2500k, I do not believe that it is all but essential to have the very best cooler to reach a great clock. I think the OP can do just fine with the Corsair H70. It does have the footprint advantage. Also: if You are still looking around for ideas on the best RAM for You, You may find that, although not all, most of the 8GB (4GBx2) kits out at the moment have some "taller than Low-Profile" cooling solutions, which can be cause for relative concern with these twin-tower HSF's.

BTW, I agree with the above post - 2133 would be great, but, is it really all that necessary? I forget where I have seen it, but... No - it's AnadTech - that for the 1155 socket, RAM speeds above 1600MHz will not show great gains in what You are looking for - Gaming performance. I would look up more before really making a decision. You have time!

PS: What are Your thoughts about Cable-Management? Remember, with a full tower like the one You are looking at (and others), it may be all but impossible to route some cables behind the motherboard tray. I would look in the forums here to see others who may have used Your hopeful case, and see what they have done. If no results are present, search for other Full Tower candidates, and try to generalize. If You are like what I was, You would like to do this build, and be happy tearing up Steam without the looming thought, "Gee - I should really take the next night or two to clean these cables up...". Just a suggestion.

Also, consider a "Build Log" in the Intel Section. Link is below. Here, You can describe all the fun ups and downs You will go through in the process of Buy - Build - Brag. This is how others learn, and one may find a sense of personal pride in being the teacher. Here's the link:

http://www.overclock.net/intel-build-logs/
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post #18 of 21
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Great post cloudbreaker, you brought up some interesting points. 8GB of 1600 does seem the better and cheaper solution. On newegg the specs on my motherboard say DDR3 2200(O.C.)/2133(O.C.)/1866(O.C.)/1600/1333/1066 for the RAM specs. I read somewhere that in order to run 2133 on that board you would have to manually force it to do so? In essence overclocking the ram in order to get it to run at stock speed?

I didnt even think about cable management, I have plenty of time to research.. hence why i'm starting early . I'll definitely start looking into other builds and see how cable management is one some of these full atx towers. There is such a wealth of information on this site its almost overwhelming!
post #19 of 21
If you can go with 2133, then go with it, for a lot of ram you have to just go into the bios and change the speed to the advertised speed because the motherboard will put the speed back down to a lower speed. You're planning to keep this for 3 to 4 years, may as well have the best
edit: I forgot to mention, my 2500k stays in the early to mid 30s idle at 4.2ghz under a noctua nh c12p, and in this small case it's pretty good. I haven't checked the load temps yet, but I think they're ok. When you oc and you leave intel speedstep/c1e enabled in the bios, your cpu will be running at a very low speed when not under load, which is fine. My 2500k goes down to 1.6ghz with speedstep on, no matter what the overclock is, so its like turboboost except better. You shouldnt worry about cooling too much, but get the nh d14 if you don't mind the looks
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post #20 of 21

Hey There! Haven't forgotten about You, or Your cause.

I have included a composite listing, with some suggestions. I advise looking at it this first, and keeping it handy
for reference. It can be located in an attachment entitled "Book1" below.

3: RAM
I've noticed some interest in this topic, and wanted to sheepishly put in my to cents.
First, directly below, a few Review Links for Socket 1155 Sandy Bridge RAM Performance Reviews:

Tech-Report
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377

Bit-Tech
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/mem...andy-bridge/12

I will let You make up Your own mind, but, as I see it, although there may be benchmarking gains with faster RAM, I
believe that for Your usage (Home/Gaming), the difference is between minimal or even negligible.

A word on Brands: If You take an afternoon and search for great RAM DIMM's here on OCN, You may trip over the Mushkin
Fan threads. Although I am a firm believer in "to each their own", I have to believe that there is a reason. For
instance, I am currently using Corsair XMS3 6GB (2GBx3) 1600 (12800) @ 8/8/8/20, CL7. However, if the availability
of the Mushkin equivalent was improved, I would have given my money to the latter company. I suggest looking into
it.

Suggested RAM -Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820226099


4: CPU Heat-Sink


The Corsair Hydro Series does have many advantages, to be sure. Namely, the compact size of the cooling solution
when compared to the performance it offers makes many enjoy their decision of getting one. However, I find myself
joining the chorus of others who feel that this is not the "best" option out there - at least, as far as Your hard earned
money is concerned. Amazingly enough, for $15 less (yes, LESS), You could have arguably the best AIR Heatsink on the
market to date. For questions on the performance difference, You can Google search a "VS" comparison, look here on OCN
for detailed analysis from trusted members of the same faith, or.. click below


Please note that I took the liberty to look up Antec, ASUS, and Mushkin, to confirm the compatibility of this HSF with each
other component. They all check out - The NH-D14 WILL fit in the suggested case. The suggested RAM will fit under the
HSF's fan/heatpipes. The HSF is compatible with the motherboard. Therefore, the NH-D14 would work with the Modified Build.


7: Chassis

This is a point of personal flavor, and is somewhat hard to plug suggestions for. Most of us find a design we like,
and ignore anything that is not of the selected breed. However, I implore You to not go off of looks alone. A
useful tip: Instead of searching by random (or by searches by the Advanced Options of Newegg), first make sure that
You are rock solid on every other component You need. I mean, NEED! Then, make sure that You know the space needed
for said components, drive bays needed, GPU clearance, HSF clearance, etc. Only then, start Your search. I only say
this because, ... I am not sure why You chose a "Full-Tower" for Your chassis. I think, given the items You are
hoping to utilize, You could do very well in a Mid-Tower. For Your financial and visual consideration, I offer the
following:

Suggested Chassis - Antec 902 v3 ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...tec%20902%20v3

2 Front 120mm Intake (Filtered)
1 Top 200mm Exhaust
1 Rear 120mm Exhaust
Clearance for the rather large Noctua NH-D14 CPU HSF (Confirmed)
Black Interior for Aesthetic Appeal
Side Window (w/Mounting for 1 Side 120mm Intake)

***My Favorite Selling Point*** It would seem that this model (and many others like it) have had many reviews and
are mildly popular. This means, if-and-if-when You think about any chassis modifications, You will have a safety net
of helpful knowledge on sites like OCN among others.

In any case, I simply suggest to consider what You want versus what You need, keeping in mind any future components,
and make sure You LOVE what You choose.


10: Optical Drive

This was already addressed, but for the sake of completeness, I wanted to touch on this. The ASUS Bulk DVD-RW SATA drive
is widely accepted as a staple in every build.


11: Fan Controller?


Yes! Why? Control of the fan RPM's directly has come in handy for me, and such an interface just seems more user-
friendly in my opinion. Scythe has been a leader in case and radiator fans for awhile now, and their bay controller
devices are growing in popularity as well. This unit has 4 channels. The suggested case has 2 front fans, 1 top
fan, and 1 rear fan (see "12: Cables" for control of the Noctua NH-D14's fan speeds). The Kaze Master is just one of
a slew of options, and I suggest considering such an option among others in Your final build. Ask around - the
benefits are there.

Suggestion: Fan Controller - Scythe Kaze Master 4 Channel 5.25" Bay Fan Controller
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ze%20Master%22

12: Cables?

Yup. As if Your case didn't have enough already... These worked great for me. You see, the Motherboard only has
one 4pin PWM fan connector. With a cable like the one below, You can route both of the HSF's PWM fans to one Motherboard
header, and control both at the same time as one. The balance of RPM's on both are important for the HSF to run well.


Suggestion: Cable - Gelid Solutions 350mm PWM Y Cable
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...WM%20Y%20Cable


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One More Thing
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If You live close to a metropolitan area, You may be in for some extra savings. If You can Yellow Book a MircoCenter
or the like, I imagine You can save a worthwhile amount of money on Your CPU and/or Motherboard. If not, there
may be those on OCN who are close to such a store that would be willing to make arrangements with You. I would
look into it...

Keep on looking, and I hope that others can give You some direct, helpful feedback! And, DON'T FORGET, I have the list-to-list of both Your exact wishlist to the modified list I came up with, just below! The Modded List puts You under $1600 USD!
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