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I am still not seeing any evidence of the IC Diamand beating the shin etsu?
According to this forum thread, this guy seems to indicate the IC Diamond 7 is 2c better than Shin Etsu at load on his rig for a H70 (the shin etsu is stock H70 paste that came with it), needed a day or 2 to cure a little to see the temp drop.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...php?t=18261906
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But IC diamond voids warranty due to the abrasive nature of the paste.
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I'd believe Skinnee before some random, try one, then try the other test. 1st mount on that H50 could have been a bad mount. Here's a nice review from Skinnee Labs showing the X23-7783 beating on IC Diamond.



http://skinneelabs.com/thermal-paste-v1-1/2/

Averaged out of 5 mounts, with the worst result tossed for each TIM.
Edited by Lucky 13 SpeedShop - 4/30/11 at 8:14pm
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I'd believe Skinnee before some random, try one, then try the other test. 1st mount on that H50 could have been a bad mount. Here's a nice review from Skinnee Labs showing the X23-7783 beating on IC Diamond.



http://skinneelabs.com/thermal-paste-v1-1/2/

Averaged out of 5 mounts, with the worst result tossed for each TIM.
While I am by no means disputing or disagreeing with Skinee's test methodology or results. The link I posted shows the person who used the ICD7 in the span of just under a week. His temps at load were originally low 60's during the first couple of days of application, then it dropped to mid 55's after 5 days on a H70 (originally that person used the stock Shin Etsu that came with the H70 with we could assume is X23 7783D). Maybe the ambient temps affected it? How long did he really burn it in to cure, was his CPU on at load for those 5 days? Or very rarely? Or maybe ICD7 just works better after some curing time similar to AS5? ICD7 is still a very high end TIM nonetheless, and while I do think it's still a slight bit better than X23 7783D, it can also lose to it too at least according to Skinee's results as shown.

Skinee's chart seems to indicate that ICD7 does cure, albeit a bit slowly, it starts off at about 69.4, and after 6 hours seems to be in the mid ~68C area, given 5 days of possible curing, I don't think it'd be too far out to consider it'd drop a few more degrees. I doubt it'd get to Indigo Xtreme levels even if given a whole month to cure heh, but it'd probably match X23 7783D I assume or at least close the gap to say the least.
Edited by yoshi245 - 5/1/11 at 3:54am
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While I am by no means disputing or disagreeing with Skinee's test methodology or results. The link I posted shows the person who used the ICD7 in the span of just under a week. His temps at load were originally low 60's during the first couple of days of application, then it dropped to mid 55's after 5 days on a H70 (originally that person used the stock Shin Etsu that came with the H70 with we could assume is X23 7783D). Maybe the ambient temps affected it? How long did he really burn it in to cure, was his CPU on at load for those 5 days? Or very rarely? Or maybe ICD7 just works better after some curing time similar to AS5? ICD7 is still a very high end TIM nonetheless, and while I do think it's still a slight bit better than X23 7783D, it can also lose to it too at least according to Skinee's results as shown.

Skinee's chart seems to indicate that ICD7 does cure, albeit a bit slowly, it starts off at about 69.4, and after 6 hours seems to be in the mid ~68C area, given 5 days of possible curing, I don't think it'd be too far out to consider it'd drop a few more degrees. I doubt it'd get to Indigo Xtreme levels even if given a whole month to cure heh, but it'd probably match X23 7783D I assume or at least close the gap to say the least.
I'd be interested to see the results if someone would do a real world, say 10 day cure time per TIM (240 hrs.). I doubt seriously that you will ever actually see something like that, but it's nice to hope for. Time ofc, being the restrictive factor irw. Can you imagine Skinnee's methodology of 5 mounts each, 240 hours cure time, then discarding the worst result & averaging the 4 best results per TIM all in a temp/humidity controlled environment? There goes a year of your time

A direct comparison between the Liquid Ultra, Indigo, and other top paste TIM's I think is necessary in order for good data to back up companies claims. Without such, it's all just a best educated guess.

My own personal problem with IC Diamond is simply due to the abrasiveness of the compound. Which is worrisome to those that spend the time, money, & effort, to lap their cpu's & heatsink/waterblock. I've never used it myself, and my consternation with that point will keep me from trying it.

I can say, out of my personal arsenal of TIM's (which include: Gelid GC Extreme, Prolimatech Pk-1, AS5, AS Ceramique, S.E. G751, A.C. MX-2, and last but certainly not least, S.E. X23-7783), that the S.E. X23-7783 gives me the best temps.

I've been very interested in Indigo Extreme since it was released. I just haven't justified spending the $$$ on it yet, mostly because there was always something else I needed more at the time.
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I'd be interested to see the results if someone would do a real world, say 10 day cure time per TIM (240 hrs.). I doubt seriously that you will ever actually see something like that, but it's nice to hope for. Time ofc, being the restrictive factor irw. Can you imagine Skinnee's methodology of 5 mounts each, 240 hours cure time, then discarding the worst result & averaging the 4 best results per TIM all in a temp/humidity controlled environment? There goes a year of your time

A direct comparison between the Liquid Ultra, Indigo, and other top paste TIM's I think is necessary in order for good data to back up companies claims. Without such, it's all just a best educated guess.

My own personal problem with IC Diamond is simply due to the abrasiveness of the compound. Which is worrisome to those that spend the time, money, & effort, to lap their cpu's & heatsink/waterblock. I've never used it myself, and my consternation with that point will keep me from trying it.

I can say, out of my personal arsenal of TIM's (which include: Gelid GC Extreme, Prolimatech Pk-1, AS5, AS Ceramique, S.E. G751, A.C. MX-2, and last but certainly not least, S.E. X23-7783), that the S.E. X23-7783 gives me the best temps.

I've been very interested in Indigo Extreme since it was released. I just haven't justified spending the $$$ on it yet, mostly because there was always something else I needed more at the time.
Personally I'm just happy with my SE X23 7783D, I still got like 5g of it left in 4 tubes. I used a bit on my 6950 and testing it on a 4870. I'll end up using it once Bulldozer comes out for my new rig as well. I wouldn't mind IC Diamond, but like you I too don't really want it to eventually scratch up the surface of the CPU's IHS and the base plate of the cooler. My collection of TIM's are: AS5, Xigmatek PTI-G3606, Tuniq TX-2, MX-4, CFIII, and aforementioned SE x23.

As for Indigo Xtreme, it's a shame it only comes with 2 applications before you have to buy another set. It really is meant for real water cooling or better imo due to it being a phase change material, the process of applying it and making it work is also rather different due to what it is. Seeing as you get limited opportunities you use it, better make sure it's meant long term.
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x23 7783D or IC 24?
ICD7 or 24 would be my bet.

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The G751 is actually worse (only by a tiny bit) than any X23. The x23 7783D is the best. Try IC Diamond 7 or 24 as an alternative.
+1 this is correct.

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I am still not seeing any evidence of the IC Diamand beating the shin etsu?
From my understanding, high end/top self Shin Etsu is on the same level as the ICD paste.

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But IC diamond voids warranty due to the abrasive nature of the paste.


? I think your thinking of Indego Extreme, the stuff you have to run your CPU at 100% to "melt it" or have I lost my mind???
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? I think your thinking of Indego Extreme, the stuff you have to run your CPU at 100% to "melt it" or have I lost my mind???
The IC Diamond is made of micronized diamonds, it's abrasive to a certain extent, you may not notice it immediately, but over time it will remove the finish on the CPU IHS from what I've heard, though it could take some applications over time to see a difference.
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