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I love how you guys can tell him more about the computer just from looking at the motherboard.
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I'm not sure. It looks like there is a fresh install of windows 7 (albeit not a genuine copy), but I don't know if he wiped everything. Haven't looked yet. Would it be unethical to dig a little?



Very good eye man, thanks! You are correct that it's only 8.
I wouldn't say it is unethical to dig a little, I mean it is their fault for not wiping the drive. But that is up to your own judgement.
Just don't go looking for private info or anything.
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Engh, not sure I'd call 8GB insane by any stretch. 4GB is the minimum you want for 64-bit Windows (which itself is the ideal to have), and 8GB is becoming more the sweet spot, but it's surely nothing insane anymore. That was maybe more true in 2007 and 2008 when I got as much RAM, but not approaching halfway through 2011 when as much can be had under $100 easy.
I don't know what you're talking about or where you got that assumption.

8GB is and can be a waste for most people. Unless you're literally PS'ing with 10+ pictures/art open, doing a Skethup or two, playing SC2, have 50 tabs open in your favorite browser, are encoding your favorite 720/1080p movie, while ripping your second favorite, chatting with your long lost brother via Skype or some other video enabled VOIP.... I really don't see how 8GB is the 'sweet spot'.

I'd say 4GB is the 'sweet spot' if you're:

x64
Mostly gaming
Light video/audio work
Daily PS
Other general normal computer usage



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That PC you got for roughly $40-50 is probably, as is, worth about $350~400 to the right buyer. The prices people usually quote here are deflated prices because it's OCN. Sell to the general public (obviously) for a bigger score. Unless you decide to keep it - you could build a sweeeeeet little HTPC with that or even make it a gaming machine (even as is).
    
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That is an epic computer for the price you payed. You couldn't really ask for much more.

8gb is a lot of ram for that amount of money.
the ram alone is worth it.
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OP, now you can officially add your system specs. I have great confidence that you will be able to take that chip to atleast 3.8ghz. Let us know your plans and if you need any advice, I'd love to see you overclock that thing, maybe even mod the case.

Whatever you do, I'm glad you found some treasure and good luck!
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People (I'm speaking in general, not just to you here) need to get out of this mindset that core count defines if it bottlenecks a certain GPU. Whether it is bottlenecked is going to be defined by the use, that is, which game is played. The CPU might bottleneck the GAME if the game needs more cores than it has, but a Core 2 Duo E8400 can surely make use of more than a GeForce GTX 260. I speak from experience. I can go and play a Grand Theft Auto IV, but then my CPU isn't so much of bottlenecking the GPU as it is bottlenecking the game itself. On the other hand, I can turn around play most other games and the GPU is often the bottleneck.

If the OP puts a GeForce GTX 460 or similar in, and doesn't play games that need more than two cores on it, it'll shine.
I wrote this and I believe I know perfectly well what a E8400 will do. A GTX 260 is the optimal/perfect match for an E8400. A GTX 285/460 could go (although probably bottlenecking it most of the time), but something faster like an HD 5870 would be a huge waste.

Also, just because a game only uses 2 cores doesn't mean the E8400 will do well. The Wolfdales are strong, but as you can see in my review, SC2, which is coded for 2 cores, struggles to even run on an E8200 @ 3.8 GHz.

BTW to add to what Ganja said, 4 GB RAM is easily the sweet spot and more than enough for most. Until I got my i5, I had a system with 2 GB RAM on a 32 bit OS and it had no problems running games (besides having a dual core). Only things like video editing would take up all the RAM. I got 4 GB for that system just before I upgraded to an i5 and I saw no effect on general performance. Although x64 takes up a bit more RAM, I'd say much more than 4 GB is a waste for most people.
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I wrote this and I believe I know perfectly well what a E8400 will do. A GTX 260 is the optimal/perfect match for an E8400. A GTX 285/460 could go (although probably bottlenecking it most of the time), but something faster like an HD 5870 would be a huge waste.
I saw that thread, and it's a good one (+rep for it, by the way, it's aided in convincing me to go for Ivy Bridge unless Bulldozer jumps into the fray) .

Why, according to what your own closing statements in that thread suggests to do by monitoring your own usage, am I often enough GPU limited when I do that? There's no doubt a Sandy Bridge at 4.8GHz is going to outrun a Wolfdale at 3.8GHz. All I'm saying is these blanket statements just don't fully work that way. Saying "X is waste with Y" needs to be done with some consideration.
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Also, just because a game only uses 2 cores doesn't mean the E8400 will do well. The Wolfdales are strong, but as you can see in my review, SC2, which is coded for 2 cores, struggles to even run on an E8200 @ 3.8 GHz.
The Sandy Bridge is faster clock for clock, and it was also was clocked higher than the Wolfdale atop that. It's like comparing a Wolfdale at 4GHz to an Athlon X2 at 3GHz in that case. Starcraft II is an RTS, and those will use all the CPU they can.

See, you just used a counter example of what I was saying. That's a good example, but not every game is like that. It depends on the game. It is the game the CPU will bottleneck more than the GPU itself. Yes, that still translates to the GPU not reflecting 100% use, and the bottleneck is the CPU itself, but consideration still needs to be taken before you let that lead to "GPU X with CPU Y is waste" because then you have alot of people going around throwing blanket statements down.

Again, good work on the article though.
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jesus, a e8400?????JACKPOT MY FRIEND
    
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I saw that thread, and it's a good one (+rep for it, by the way, it's aided in convincing me to go for Ivy Bridge unless Bulldozer jumps into the fray) .

Why, according to what your own closing statements in that thread suggests to do by monitoring your own usage, am I often enough GPU limited when I do that? There's no doubt a Sandy Bridge at 4.8GHz is going to outrun a Wolfdale at 3.8GHz. All I'm saying is these blanket statements just don't fully work that way. Saying "X is waste with Y" needs to be done with some consideration.The Sandy Bridge is faster clock for clock, and it was also was clocked higher than the Wolfdale atop that. It's like comparing a Wolfdale at 4GHz to an Athlon X2 at 3GHz in that case. Starcraft II is an RTS, and those will use all the CPU they can.
I'm glad you liked it

Anyway, your dual core has one of the fastest architectures and is clocked high putting you in the top end of CPU performance. So, you have a faster CPU than I did and an equal GPU so I'm not that surprised that you frequently see a GPU bottleneck. In your case, I 'd still say that the GTX 260 is more balanced, but a faster card is an option. Remember that the thread was aiming at everyone considering an upgrade, so in one end I had people like you and in the other Athlon II X2's @ 2.6 GHz. Just out of curiosity, what games do you play?

Other people have been concerned about the i5 at 4.8 GHz. I've run the SC2 bench at 3.8 GHz and although it's slower than at 4.8 GHz, it still trounces the C2D.

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See, you just used a counter example of what I was saying. That's a good example, but not every game is like that. It depends on the game. It is the game the CPU will bottleneck more than the GPU itself. Yes, that still translates to the CPU not reflecting 100% use, and the bottleneck is the CPU itself, but consideration still needs to be taken before you let that lead to "GPU X with CPU Y is waste" because then you have alot of people going around throwing blanket statements down.

Again, good work on the article though.
Hmm... Yeah, I hadn't really thought about that. Of course it depends on the situation and I wouldn't want people to get the wrong idea of how it works.
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You sir, win 10 internets. E8400 + 8Gb DDR2 is INSANE for under $100. You have restored my faith in yard sales!!!
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