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You have some things wrong.
First off, he wants a silent system. A RS radiator is more optimized for high speed fans, so for silence, a RX radiator would be better. Also, since silence is his first priority, it would be better to have a 350 over a 355 since they perform around 25% within eachother, yet the 350 takes 10W and the 355 takes 18W; in other words, the 355 works faster, thus making more noise. Since he is only watercooling his CPU, the high head pressure of the 350/355 isn't needed, so the 655 or the 655-B would be recommended. Since the 655 is also quieter, that will also achieve one of his primary goals. The 655 is a speed changeable pump, 1-5; while the 655-B is the same pump, just set to setting 4. Therefore, I would recommend the 655-B (it is also cheaper).

Next, you recommended two expensive CPU waterblocks. He wants to have a cheap loop without skimping on quality.. and what is the killer of that? High-end stuff. I would greatly recommend getting an XSPC Rasa CPU waterblock, they are also black, but perform within 1-2C from the two blocks he posted, also at least $30 cheaper.

I will be posting the watercooling equipment I recommend to you as we speak in a separate post.
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CPU BLOCK: XSPC Rasa Black Acetal - $50
PUMP: Swiftech MCP655-B 12v DC - $66
RADIATOR: XSPC RX360 - $90
RESERVOIR: your pick, for budget I would go Swiftech MCRES rev2 - $23
BARBS: 6x Bitspower Matt Black 1/2" - $16.50
CLAMPS: Try these for a black look - $5
TUBING: 6 feet PrimoFlex Pro LRT Black Tubing - 7/16in. ID X 5/8in. OD - $10

$260 total. Add shipping and a silver kill coil and you'll get to $280.


7/16" ID tubing because it offers a tighter fit on the 1/2" barbs. For the clamps, I would recommend worm drive clamps (size #5 at Home Depot), but they are ugly as sin and are usually silver. As for the tubing, you can get some Tygon Black Lab Tubing, but tubing is tubing, and from what I hear, Promochill is just as good but a tad bit cheaper... plus, I couldn't find the right size at Jab-Tech!
Everything can be changeable. If you have a bit more money to spend, black compression fittings would look marvelous. Keep in mind that they are usually twice as expensive as barbs. If your still interested, switch out the 7/16" tubing with 1/2" ID 3/4" OD tubing, and get these compression fittings. Pricey, eh?
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You have some things wrong.
First off, he wants a silent system. A RS radiator is more optimized for high speed fans, so for silence, a RX radiator would be better. Also, since silence is his first priority, it would be better to have a 350 over a 355 since they perform around 25% within eachother, yet the 350 takes 10W and the 355 takes 18W; in other words, the 355 works faster, thus making more noise. Since he is only watercooling his CPU, the high head pressure of the 350/355 isn't needed, so the 655 or the 655-B would be recommended. Since the 655 is also quieter, that will also achieve one of his primary goals. The 655 is a speed changeable pump, 1-5; while the 655-B is the same pump, just set to setting 4. Therefore, I would recommend the 655-B (it is also cheaper).

Next, you recommended two expensive CPU waterblocks. He wants to have a cheap loop without skimping on quality.. and what is the killer of that? High-end stuff. I would greatly recommend getting an XSPC Rasa CPU waterblock, they are also black, but perform within 1-2C from the two blocks he posted, also at least $30 cheaper.

I will be posting the watercooling equipment I recommend to you as we speak in a separate post.
Actually the RS units prefer the lower speed fans, because of how thin they are.

If you've read the graphs on RX units at skinneelabs.com you would know that they perform like garbage with low RPM fans.

I gave him two recommendations on pumps, the 355 would be great later on if he plans to add more components. I threw in the 655 vario in case he wanted the ability to lower or increase the speed of the pump. It's a $10 difference between the vario and B version.

As for the CPU block I overlooked the RASA one, couldn't find it while I was searching at Frozen or PPCS so sorry about that one.
Edited by SecrtAgentMan - 4/30/11 at 6:32pm
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CPU BLOCK: XSPC Rasa Black Acetal - $50
PUMP: Swiftech MCP655-B 12v DC - $66
RADIATOR: XSPC RX360 - $90
RESERVOIR: your pick, for budget I would go Swiftech MCRES rev2 - $23
BARBS: 6x Bitspower Matt Black 1/2" - $16.50
CLAMPS: Try these for a black look - $5
TUBING: 6 feet PrimoFlex Pro LRT Black Tubing - 7/16in. ID X 5/8in. OD - $10

$260 total. Add shipping and a silver kill coil and you'll get to $280.


7/16" ID tubing because it offers a tighter fit on the 1/2" barbs. For the clamps, I would recommend worm drive clamps (size #5 at Home Depot), but they are ugly as sin and are usually silver. As for the tubing, you can get some Tygon Black Lab Tubing, but tubing is tubing, and from what I hear, Promochill is just as good but a tad bit cheaper... plus, I couldn't find the right size at Jab-Tech!
Everything can be changeable. If you have a bit more money to spend, black compression fittings would look marvelous. Keep in mind that they are usually twice as expensive as barbs. If your still interested, switch out the 7/16" tubing with 1/2" ID 3/4" OD tubing, and get these compression fittings. Pricey, eh?
Looks pretty good! Thanks for your help.
     
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Actually the RS units prefer the lower speed fans, because of how thin they are.
If you've read the graphs on RX units at skinneelabs.com you would know that they perform like garbage with low RPM fans.

I really hope you don't get outclassed by a guy who doesn't even have watercooling.

The RX radiators have 8 FPI (fins per inch). The RS radiators have a higher FPI (I didn't bother to find the exact amount, but it is certainly higher). Low speed fans LOOVE low FPI. The higher FPI there is, the great power fans need to push the air through, the more RPM the fan needs, the worse it performs versus an RX radiator, and the louder it is. RX is more optimized for low speed fans.

@skineelabs, I didn't find a comparison between the RX360 and the RS360. However, skineelabs loves to agree with me that the RX360 is a low-rpm lover.



Shall you say more?
The RX radiator is almost twice as thick as an RS radiator. The RX is so thick because it was made for low RPM fans, while the RS was made for high speed fans. Since the RX is for low speed, the FPI is low, while for the RS, the radiator needs to dissipate a ton of heat, so there are more fins, thus a greater FPI.
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I gave him two recommendations on pumps, the 355 would be great later on if he plans to add more components.
Let me add a quote har...
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Hey guys, I might in the future build a loop for my cpu only, but here are my requirements

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I threw in the 655 vario in case he wanted the ability to lower or increase the speed of the pump. It's a $10 difference between the vario and B version.
Ahem.

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3. Must be as cheap as possible, without skimping on quality.
Granted, if you do have the extra money to get a regular 655, it may be a good idea. You can always run it at a lower setting than the stock speed of 4 on the 655-B.





EDIT: Rereading this post, it does sound quite malicious. I don't mean it that way.
The guy wants a quiet watercooling setup for his cpu only... so why recommend a loud(er) pump just for expandability for more than a cpu?
EDIT2: sorry for the double post, I would of assumed someone would have posted by now lol
Edited by Buska103 - 4/30/11 at 6:53pm
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I really hope you don't get outclassed by a guy who doesn't even have watercooling.

The RX radiators have 8 FPI (fins per inch). The RS radiators have a higher FPI (I didn't bother to find the exact amount, but it is certainly higher). Low speed fans LOOVE low FPI. The higher FPI there is, the great power fans need to push the air through, the more RPM the fan needs, the worse it performs versus an RX radiator, and the louder it is. RX is more optimized for low speed fans.

@skineelabs, I didn't find a comparison between the RX360 and the RS360. However, skineelabs loves to agree with me that the RX360 is a low-rpm lover.

*snip*

Shall you say more?
The RX radiator is almost twice as thick as an RS radiator. The RX is so thick because it was made for low RPM fans, while the RS was made for high speed fans. Since the RX is for low speed, the FPI is low, while for the RS, the radiator needs to dissipate a ton of heat, so there are more fins, thus a greater FPI.
I see that I was wrong about the RX vs RS sorry about that. I tend to mix up either rad at times. Couldn't find a direct comparison between both rads with the same setup.
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Let me add a quote har...





Ahem.



Granted, if you do have the extra money to get a regular 655, it may be a good idea. You can always run it at a lower setting than the stock speed of 4 on the 655-B.





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The guy wants a quiet watercooling setup for his cpu only... so why recommend a loud(er) pump just for expandability for more than a cpu?
EDIT2: sorry for the double post, I would of assumed someone would have posted by now lol
Well quite a bit can happen, I personally planned a CPU loop as well, then I decided to add 2 GPUs and a motherboard block.

So there's always that route.

And don't worry you weren't coming off as malicious, I don't mind being corrected otherwise I'll keep giving the wrong info to others.
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I vote for the rasa RS360 kit and then replace the pump/res. Most of the pumps are silent, I can't hear mine unless I put my ear against it.
So I would just get that kit and chance the pump, and replace it if you have to.

the block and the rad are extremely good, some of the best performing parts on the market.
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