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It's amazing that two different and respected sites came up with different conclusions about ram and gaming on SB:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3/6

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"The results weren't very stimulating, were they? Just as expected, gaming with faster memory just doesn't make any notable difference. I could have potentially lowered the resolution and settings in an attempt to produce some sort of difference, but I felt that testing these games at the settings they're most likely to be played at was far more enlightening. If you want better gaming performance, the GPU is the best component to upgrade—no news there."

I am going to stick by my recommendation of going with 1600Mhz unless you are benching. As far as faster ram allowing for better overclocking headroom, since on SB we use a multiplier to overclock I cannot see where faster ram will help. But in the end it's up to you, spend $55 for 8Gb of ram and use the savings for a better GPU or spend $99 on ram. The $45 difference can get you a HD6950 versus a GTX560. Just some food for thought.
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utnorris, was the above meant for strikermaximus ? ... because he said he was mainly gaming, not a Benchmark Guy, and also he already mentioned getting an i7 2600K cpu ... not really much better SB Chip option out there than that is there ? at least not right now.

But I agree there's little to no gain spending on RAM above the 1600 MHz speed with our set-ups ... if anything MAX out and get 16 GB instead of 8 GB, it's cheap enough to have the extra RAM for now and later if ever needed, there's little reason NOT to do this IMO. The $40-50 is cheap insurance for futureproofing and potential improved performance.

As for a HD6950 versus a GTX560ti ... let's see if I had to recommend a card ... ummmmm biggrin.gif ohhhh what one would it be .... ahhhhhh ummmmmm smile.gif




Pssst a TOXIC 6950 wink.gif
   
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Originally Posted by utnorris;14938595 
It's amazing that two different and respected sites came up with different conclusions about ram and gaming on SB:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3/6

Quote:
"The results weren't very stimulating, were they? Just as expected, gaming with faster memory just doesn't make any notable difference. I could have potentially lowered the resolution and settings in an attempt to produce some sort of difference, but I felt that testing these games at the settings they're most likely to be played at was far more enlightening. If you want better gaming performance, the GPU is the best component to upgrade—no news there."

I am going to stick by my recommendation of going with 1600Mhz unless you are benching. As far as faster ram allowing for better overclocking headroom, since on SB we use a multiplier to overclock I cannot see where faster ram will help. But in the end it's up to you, spend $55 for 8Gb of ram and use the savings for a better GPU or spend $99 on ram. The $45 difference can get you a HD6950 versus a GTX560. Just some food for thought.

There is more to it then just gaming guys but this is not the point ..the AnandTech test/review only shows RAM @ stock i7-2600K if i remember correctly that's why i like the test done by Xbit..it shows the true SB architecture ability (SB loves frequency more then timings/latency,the higher the clock ,the better)
Everyone says 1600 is the sweet spot ..compare 1333 to 1600 and see how much you gain ,now compare 1600 to 2133 and be the judge
I5 2500K@4.7

READ
DDR3-1333 CL7=> 17630 MB/s
DDR3-1600 CL8=> 20180 gain over 1333= 2550 MB/s

DDR3-2133 CL9=> 24650 gain over 1600= 4470
WRITE
DDR3-1333 CL7=> 20650 MB/s
DDR3-1600 CL8=> 22970 gain over 1333= 2320

DDR3-2133 CL9=> 24130 gain over 1600= 1160
COPY
DDR3-1333 CL7=> 18860 MB/s
DDR3-1600 CL8=> 21990 gain over 1333= 3130

DDR3-2133 CL9=> 27050 gain over 1600= 5060

@ stock the gain will be minimal !!
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3_4.html#sect1

here is my own comparison of the same frequency -different timings (this is where you can save your money if you opt for higher frequency RAM)
here is 4Gb 1600 CL7 kit (PI series) @2133 (1.6v)
ofsset472133pi1625v.jpg

here is 8Gb 2133 CL11 (on sale 75$) running in my sig rig 10-11-10-27-2T (1.575v)

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you can have a little fun with it too;
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Originally Posted by LA_Kings_Fan;14938893 
But I agree there's little to no gain spending on RAM above the 1600 MHz speed with our set-ups ... if anything MAX out and get 16 GB instead of 8 GB, it's cheap enough to have the extra RAM for now and later if ever needed, there's little reason NOT to do this IMO. The $40-50 is cheap insurance for futureproofing and potential improved performance.

Having put 16GB of ram in my MIVG, I think DDR3 will be long dead by the time 16GB is needed for average gaming..
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Hi guys, I posted a couple of pages back, I was looking into this MoBo for my new build.

Here is my final build, let me know what you think, what can I improve, or what may not be compatible.

I only have doubts with the Wireless Adapter, will it fit this mobo?

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/screenshot20110914at922.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/screenshot20110914at922.png/

Also anyone using this CPU cooler? or can anyone recommend a similar, not HUGE (don't wanna block the RAM or the GPU slots)
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Originally Posted by Charlie117;14940696 
Hi guys, I posted a couple of pages back, I was looking into this MoBo for my new build.

Here is my final build, let me know what you think, what can I improve, or what may not be compatible.

I only have doubts with the Wireless Adapter, will it fit this mobo?

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/screenshot20110914at922.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/screenshot20110914at922.png/

Also anyone using this CPU cooler? or can anyone recommend a similar, not HUGE (don't wanna block the RAM or the GPU slots)

Honestly I think if I were doing it over I would go with a 6950 instead of a 570. I just think they are better value cards. I have two 570's fyi.

Also get rid of that ridiculously priced HDD. Get something like the Spinpoint. Best drive in it's range. You can short stroke it if you only need 500GB or so. Also PSU is overkill unless you plan to go SLI. In which case it is just about right.

The 212+ is a great cooler. As far as the wireless adapter goes, I would stay clear and hardwire it. If you must have a wireless adapter, I'm sure it is fine. It will fit in either your second physical x16 or x4 slot.
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Originally Posted by Charlie117;14940696 
I only have doubts with the Wireless Adapter, will it fit this mobo?

I don't see why not ?

Also, your build looks solid, the CM Hyper 212+ is a great cooler, the only thing you might want is different fans for it, the single stock fan it comes with is kind of loud, a pair of 120mm for it can improve it's cooling performance as well as be quieter if you choose the right fans (this was discussed Witch King had a loud Hyper 212+ {Link}).

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Honestly I think if I were doing it over I would go with a 6950 instead of a 570. I just think they are better value cards. I have two 570's fyi.

Did you W/C yours ? Lately I keep reading people claiming the GTX 570 runs cooler than the HD 6950, but I remember someone here, maybe you or utnorris or ? telling me those cards, maybe it was just the particular 570 model I was looking at, running HOT. The reviews I've read also back up that it looks to me the 570 runs HOTTER than the 6950 ?
   
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Did you W/C yours ? Lately I keep reading people claiming the GTX 570 runs cooler than the HD 6950, but I remember someone here, maybe you or utnorris or ? telling me those cards, maybe it was just the particular 570 model I was looking at, running HOT. The reviews I've read also back up that it looks to me the 570 runs HOTTER than the 6950 ?

They get pretty toasty. Not absurd on their own though. I don't have mine wc'd. I keep meaning to though. The next gen card I get I will water cool I think.
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Honestly I think if I were doing it over I would go with a 6950 instead of a 570. I just think they are better value cards. I have two 570's fyi.

Also get rid of that ridiculously priced HDD. Get something like the Spinpoint. Best drive in it's range. You can short stroke it if you only need 500GB or so. Also PSU is overkill unless you plan to go SLI. In which case it is just about right.

The 212+ is a great cooler. As far as the wireless adapter goes, I would stay clear and hardwire it. If you must have a wireless adapter, I'm sure it is fine. It will fit in either your second physical x16 or x4 slot.


I've always been an Nvidia guy, used to have ATI back in the day and had tons of problems with drivers and other things.


What's the difference between the HDD I have vs the Spinpoint?
I mean, is there really a difference in 64mb cache vs 32mb?

I might SLI in the future, I'm just playing it safe smile.gif
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