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LA_Kings_Fan, thank you for your work. I wrote that program and guides, because I was tired to see flashing methods that brick boards and loose individual BIOS data all over the internet.

About the difference between old and new BIOSes: the difference is not much in BIOS, but in ME firmware. ME 7 supports only SB, but it does it well, and ME 8 supports both SB and IB, but SB support is a second task for it.
On my Gene-Z and 2500k I see no major difference between ME7 and ME8 BIOSes, but I saw a pair of systems, on which old BIOSes are working better with SB, then new ones.
The future is with ME8, full Windows 8 support with all SecureBoot features can be achieved only with ME8, so if you see no difference and plan to use Windows 8 - you have only one choice.
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LA_Kings_Fan, thank you for your work. I wrote that program and guides, because I was tired to see flashing methods that brick boards and loose individual BIOS data all over the internet.
About the difference between old and new BIOSes: the difference is not much in BIOS, but in ME firmware. ME 7 supports only SB, but it does it well, and ME 8 supports both SB and IB, but SB support is a second task for it.
On my Gene-Z and 2500k I see no major difference between ME7 and ME8 BIOSes, but I saw a pair of systems, on which old BIOSes are working better with SB, then new ones.
The future is with ME8, full Windows 8 support with all SecureBoot features can be achieved only with ME8, so if you see no difference and plan to use Windows 8 - you have only one choice.

 

Interesting thinking.gif ... so, let me ask ... right now I plan on sticking with WIN 7 Pro (64 bit) and my SB Core i7-2600k ... but I'm in the middle of updating and getting my SSD's in order which means doing a 100% fresh clean install of WIN 7 and all the other programs etc., ... and finally doing the various BIOS / Driver updates for my system redface.gif (still on the Original #0208 BIOS) ...

 

SO, in MY case ... should I stick to the ME 7 Management Engine Driver along with the # 0902 BIOS for the MoBo it sounds like maybe ? Would this be the best option right now, and for the best stable OC ?  headscratch.gif It sounds like it from everything I've been reading recently.

 

 

EDIT:  I included the Intel ME 7 Management Engine Driver link on the FRONT PAGE Downloads as well, in case someone wants to stick with THAT version for now. Though I'm not 100% of it's latest version, best I can find is 7.1.40.1161 updated on 04/16/2012 ... IF someone can find a newer ME7 please let me know, thanks thumb.gif


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LA_Kings_Fan, it depends on your system and I can't say "do this" or "do that".
Try using 0902, make you OC setup, test it and write to BIOS OC profiles.
Then make a full BIOS backup with backup.bat (part of FTK, run it as Administrator) and save it on USB-flash.
Flash to the last 3xxx version with EZ-Flash, make your OC setup, test it and make profiles.
If you like it more then 0902 - use it. If less - flash your backup.bin with FTK (rename backup.bin to bios.bin and run flash.bat as Administrator). Power the system off, remove power from PSU for about 30 seconds to reset ME (it's powered from ATX standby rail). Now you have your 0902 with all profiles and stuff.
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ONBOARD vs SOUND CARD

Thought I would update the whole sound card debate vs onboard sound from a few days ago.....

Basically I was curious as to what would be a worthwhile upgrade from the onboard sound card. The card would be used with a logitech z5500 5.1 system. Knowing limitations to the system a $150+ card would most likely be a waist (but helps e-peen lol) I was having a hard time picking a good mid range card to compliment my speakers. I decided to buy the xonar dx. Im not trying to do a review on the DX, rather just compare the capabilities of onboard to the DX. It has been said the xonar dsx is a VERY CLOSE comparison to the dx and only $52 vs the $72 I got the DX for, It might have been a better value to get that card.

For movies and music the DX BBBBBLOWS away the onboard sound. SQ is MUCH improved. I mean on every level, hands down and while watching an action movie (fast five) in select scenes it was clear that the DX was better. Gaming on the other hand I felt on board was a much closer runner up. The DX still had good sound quality but in BF3 CQ maps there is so much chaos it doesn't really matter which one your on. Channel seperation was noticeably better on larger maps with aircraft flying overhead having a more accurate location on the DX.

I think the only thing I really dont like about the DX is the UI...It feels like its from the 90's in a way and the EQ is too small making small changes difficult. I prefer the larger size of the creative EQ. The presets seemed like garbage as well, they just took the eq to extremes. I ended up with slight changes to a few different frequencies to get the sound I preferred. I certainly can tell the DX is feeding the speakers with more power since the volume dial is turned much lower to get the same sound levels.


Music and movies: DX wins by a mile
BF3 Gaming: DX wins easily on larger maps, CQ maps the DX wins but the onboard is a not too distant second.


Im at a crossroads though. Due to my use being predominately gaming, I might return the dx for the dsx which in a very comprehensive review said it was a close comparison to the dx and is about $20 cheaper. The $50 price tag i think adds value to the card for my use since I mainly use it for gaming. I think the DX provides more than I need and the dsx should do the same for my use.

Review mentioned earlier:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/08/music-to-your-ears-reviewing-asus-budget-xonar-dgx-and-dsx-sound-cards/
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Nice write up 66racer , you actually reaffirmed for me at least that the ON-BOARD is just fine for me for Gaming and general purpose use headsetsmiley.png ....

 

IF down the road I do another build, or switch this rig into a true HTPC and hook it up to a home sound system then a nice HIGH END Sound card would be the ticket, otherwise it's a wasted $50-$75 for me and a Low / Mid range card. tongue.gif  Cheers cheers.gif

   
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Nice write up 66racer , you actually reaffirmed for me at least that the ON-BOARD is just fine for me for Gaming and general purpose use headsetsmiley.png  ....

IF down the road I do another build, or switch this rig into a true HTPC and hook it up to a home sound system then a nice HIGH END Sound card would be the ticket, otherwise it's a wasted $50-$75 for me and a Low / Mid range card. tongue.gif   Cheers cheers.gif

Yeah basically that sums it up. I mean even gaming there are SQ improvements no doubt, but if all the system is used for is gaming its not really worth it unless you enjoy clean clean sound. I mean the onboard has some static if you listen for it and the DX has none but to many it might not be worth $40+ to get rid of it.

I mean I really like the DX and what it did for the pc but not sure it was "worth" it. And the fact that im debating whether to keep it or not says that it wasnt a HUGE improvement WITH my z5500 system. Obviously a higher end system would have made the comparisson favor the DX A LOT MORE...My z5500 is comparible to the new z906 which replaced it. Its $350 on newegg. If you had something that exceeded this then the upgrade is almost NEEDED, but at this level of speakers its personal prefference, some may not even notice the difference.
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Nice write up 66racer , you actually reaffirmed for me at least that the ON-BOARD is just fine for me for Gaming and general purpose use headsetsmiley.png  ....

IF down the road I do another build, or switch this rig into a true HTPC and hook it up to a home sound system then a nice HIGH END Sound card would be the ticket, otherwise it's a wasted $50-$75 for me and a Low / Mid range card. tongue.gif   Cheers cheers.gif

Are we really speaking about WASTED 50-75$, with so much expensive hardware? ROG motherboard, high-end vga, etc... if the 50-75$ is wasted, then we wasted even more on those other components...
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Are we really speaking about WASTED 50-75$, with so much expensive hardware? ROG motherboard, high-end vga, etc... if the 50-75$ is wasted, then we wasted even more on those other components...

 Well ... the GENE was cheaper than the EXTREME ! and My TOXIC HD-6950 was cheaper than the nVidia GTX-580 ... so I look at it as I was BARGIN SHOPPING ! thumb.gif

   
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OK, I've been updating my Rig and getting my SSD's and HDD's in order, and in the process finally trying to get all the BIOS and Driver's UP TO DATE on my system, which leads me to my question ... HOW / WHERE do I verify which Driver is ON my system in each case ... I ask because I'm not sure a couple of the updates actually went off without a hitch, so not sure I actually updated. Sorry for the NOOB redface.gif question, but as I told you all, being a computer guru isn't my day job tongue.gif Thanks guys & gals thumb.gif

   
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If I remember correctly when you install the drivers using the installation disk that came with the motherboard it says what version is available and INSTALLED so you could try that but not install the drivers on the disk. Haven't got an optical drive installed to check though so let us know if it works please.
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