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Originally Posted by ucode View Post

Nice to see somebody doing it right, good job CodeRush thumb.gif
Asus flashing tools look at a revision code in the original BIOS and a lot of times the 'outdated image' is just ASUS being awkward, i.e. they do not want to give you the option to use a previous BIOS.
GbE is for those boards with Intel Gigabit Ethernet (GbE).
The BIOS chip typically has 3 or 4 regions, a small region for the descriptor which describes what is on the BIOS chip, maybe another small region for the GbE if incorporated on the board, a 1.5MB (sometimes 5MB) region for the ME firmware and finally a region for the actual BIOS control.
I think what CodeRush is saying is that the internal flash routine (EzFlash) and other ASUS software flash routines only provided for the BIOS region to be updated and not the other regions, except in the case where ME version 7 was upgraded to ME version 8 on some boards.
The MEI driver takes care of things on the OS side and provides communications with the ME firmware. The ME Firmware controls clocks and other things. Although you can run without ME firmware and default to what is on the PCH you might find you loose some functionality.

So you're saying that ME is more than just remote access?
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ucode, thanks for explanation in good language.
My English is too tech-biased to be understood by people not familiar with BIOS structure or programming now, but I'm working on it. smile.gif

kevindd992002, ME is now much more then simple remote access. Many features like clockers setup, Turbo-multipliers, memory subtimings and many more are tied to ME nowadays.
As for me, I don't like the whole ME thing on a desktop computer. On a server the things like IP-KVM, IPMI and other remote access capabilities are needed features and the lack of it can't be tolerated, but on a desktop they are simply unneeded.
With that ME firmware came many problems which we never saw before, because it works independent from OS, it has full access to all memory, devices, it reimplements TCP/IP stack and can use your network without any notification, it can read and write from flash chip any second in any region and only few people in Intel know for sure, what it's all about and what is actually going on on your computer during your work with your PC.
More to say, ME-enabled system requires more skill in BIOS programming, because it's now a concurrent IO environment and you must use locks, semaphores, mutexes and critical sections to prevent data corruption and race conditions, because it's not only you who works with flash chip, but there are also ME and GbE firmwares, that can read or write data any second.
As a result, the overall quality of new BIOSes, especially after ME v7 -> ME v8 transition are lower then previous versions and BIOSes for previous platforms. Bugs like this are results of poor BIOS programming in new conditions.

Thanks to all for support and rep, but I hope that this idiotic situation when users like me having to make software to do the hardware manufacturers job ends on Z77 boards lineup.

I have a message to ASUS people: guys, if you read me, please think about paying more to your BIOS developers and testers but making both to work harder too.
You makes one of the best hardware for overclockers, especially on motherboards market, but your you need to test your BIOSes and software tools much better.
Ai Suite is complete crap, All three BIOS updating tools are sort of useless without ability to flash all regions, USB BIOS Flashback needs further development to replace SPI-programmers completely.
Concentrate on making your software better and I assure you - it will worth it. But making a black and red interface for CPU-Z and GPU-Z isn't the right way to achieve perfection.
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EVGA did it, the Z77 Stinger:


So, where is our ROG?smile.gif
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Stupid place to put the usb 3.0 header but Asus also did this with their Z77 mitx. Asrock got it right though.
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Such an annoying RMA process.

8/24 - Submit a RMA request through the website
8/29 - Call and get a RMA number
8/29 - I finally get an e-mail about cross ship for my claim
8/30 - I call and ask about cross ship. He tells me he will check inventory and if by Monday, I don't receive information, go ahead and do normal RMA
9/4 - I send in a normal RMA
9/4 - They send me an e-mail with my updated RMA for cross-ship and the form to fill out my CC#
9/7 - Motherboard arrives at RMA facility
9/12 - I call support. Turns out my they wiped out my original RMA number off their systems so the only RMA linked to my name is the cross ship RMA so now they have to call down to the warehouse, find my motherboard, link the updated RMA with the old one and then proceed with the RMA process. devil.gif
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Question here guys:

Is Virtu MVP okay to use on our z68 mobos? compatible?
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Such an annoying RMA process. devil.gif

 

Shoulda done the Process through the Team Asus ROG guys ... you could have gotten an ADVANCE RMA, they'll even forward you a Replacement Board out before they GET your defective one.

In the future and for anyone else with a need to RMA their Asus ROG gear, make sure you sign up as a VIP member on the ROG site and ask for help there first, they will hook you up faster and better than your typical Asus CS reps. thumb.gif

   
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Hey guys, the newer ASUS Maximus IV GENE-Z/GEN3 is less expensive than the ASUS Maximus IV GENE-Z in my country, is the ASUS Maximus IV GENE-Z better, or is there some problem with the GEN3 or something?
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Only difference is that the gen3 has pci-e 3.0 so technically the gen3 is better,
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