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If your'e serious about gaming, it's 120hz or CRT

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Maybe if your in sponsored-level tournaments, playing against the best of the best. I'm sorry but 30-40ms is not going to affect ~99% of gamers. 99% of gamers aren't anywhere near that skill level, and even if they are, it wouldn't affect them unless they are playing against someone with that exact skill level.

Yes, you can feel 40ms.. but you adjust to it, and after a day most people won't even notice it, or have it affect them enough to hurt their playing. We're talking .1% of your skill level for most players, and the widescreen and better picture allow you to see things easier, increasing your skill level more than .1%. Gaming is about fun, and it's much more fun to game on a much better panel.

You must of played on some of the sets with 60ms+ lag, around 60ms-80ms is when it starts to affect me enough where I start to miss shots I normally would of gotten off.

But hey, to each his own. I gamed on a 85ms panel for 2 years and still got #1 in most of my games.
Edited by Murlocke - 5/1/11 at 7:28am
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Maybe if your in sponsored-level tournaments, playing against the best of the best. I'm sorry but 30-40ms is not going to affect ~99% of gamers. 99% of gamers aren't anywhere near that skill level, and even if they are, it wouldn't affect them unless they are playing against someone with that exact skill level. AKA never unless they are in a sponsored tournament.
So? I said being serious about gaming, and 99% aren't.

Neither am I really, but I still don't enjoy 2-3 frames of input lag. That makes a huge difference. It makes me incapable of hitting any target in any FPS game.

1: Most modern IPS monitors don't have so much input lag. Most only have only one frame (16ms) or lower in the newest ultrasharp series and the competitors from other companies.

2: 30-40ms is almost 2 frames of input lag, and is quite terrible. You would not be able to play any FPS game as well as usually with that. However. Most LCD displays only have one frame or less input lag, which is quite low, and okay for the average gamer

3: Input lag and hz ALWAYS affect the gamer, even if he's a complete noob/idiot/having a seizure while gaming.

4: You seem like you hadn't used a proper 120hz. (or a good CRT). It makes a world of difference, even for someone as bad at gaming as you and I.

EDIT: @ your edit. Yes, a better display makes it easier to see enemies. That's why you want a good CRT instead of a bad one or a TN 120hz.

And at first, you say gaming is about fun, and then you state that widescreen and good image quality make you more better than high hz without input lag will. HMMMM

EDIT2: I don't know, but you shouldn't dismiss what other people have to say so easily just because you don't care. Just because you are trying to protect your side here. You blast blatant misinformation at us with the hope that you will seem informed. Sorry. But I said serious. And by serious I mean competetive level or higher. At that point, 120hz makes all the difference. Sure, you can play well with 60hz, but it's a whole lot easier with 120hz and that's what matters there. So before you go and dismiss all other peoples opinions on what is important, think. It's not you that we're talking about here. Some of us play games that actually require reflexes. Not something as slow paced and dull as BC2. There 40ms would be tolerable. But just not in any fast shooter.
Edited by De-Zant - 5/1/11 at 7:35am
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So? I said being serious about gaming, and 99% aren't.

Neither am I really, but I still don't enjoy 2-3 frames of input lag. That makes a huge difference. It makes me incapable of hitting any target in any FPS game.

1: Most modern IPS monitors don't have so much input lag. Most only have only one frame (16ms) or lower in the newest ultrasharp series and the competitors from other companies.

2: 30-40ms is almost 2 frames of input lag, and is quite terrible. You would not be able to play any FPS game as well as usually with that. However. Most LCD displays only have one frame or less input lag, which is quite low, and okay for the average gamer

3: Input lag and hz ALWAYS affect the gamer, even if he's a complete noob/idiot/having a seizure while gaming.

4: You seem like you hadn't used a proper 120hz. (or a good CRT). It makes a world of difference, even for someone as bad at gaming as you and I.
It's hard to say "serious about gaming", it's an opinion. Someone who games 4 hours a day might consider that serious, but someone who is sponsored and plays 12+ hours every day would consider 4 hours a day casual. It's hard for me to judge what you mean by serious.

Yes, input lag and hz will always affect the gamer.. but my arguement is that it doesn't affect 99% of people enough to make a noticable difference, at least under <40ms.

I currently game on a set that measures 52ms, and I play absolutely fine. I consider myself serious about gaming, in terms of average gamers. I greatly enjoy a nice panel with some slight input lag over a panel with no input lag and less detail.

I'm not here to argue with you, so this is my last post in this topic. I'm just saying most gamers would disagree with you, even ones that consider themselves serious about gaming.
Edited by Murlocke - 5/1/11 at 7:38am
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It's hard to say "serious about gaming", it's an opinion. Someone who games 4 hours a day might consider that serious, but someone who is sponsored and plays 12+ hours every day would consider 4 hours a day casual. It's hard for me to judge what you mean by serious.

Yes, input lag and hz will always affect the gamer.. but my arguement is that it doesn't affect 99% of people enough to make a difference, at least under <40ms.

I currently game on a set that measures 52ms, and I play absolutely fine. I consider myself serious about gaming, in terms of average gamers.

Yeah, but the fact that you would prefer to use a great looking set that has 52ms doesn't mean that everyone would

Is that 52ms the response time or the input lag? Which one is it? If it's the response time, this whole argument has been useless.


Why are you still going on about that "Spending whole day playing in some professional tournaments MIGHT make you serious about gaming" thing? It's useless. Most average players would enjoy 120hz over 60hz if it looked the same. If they value their image quality over smoothness is their concern, not yours. I was just offering an alternative for the people who think they are serious about their game.

And still, it will make a huge difference for >50% of PC gamers. Not in terms of skill, but in terms of enjoyement. Just like IPS will. Both will affect how much you enjoy playing, as well as slightly affecting the skill. Someone who plays fast paced FPS games will enjoy 120hz a lot more than IPS. Someone who only plays something snail paced such as BC2 will enjoy IPS more. That's it.

Done deal.

Now quit blasting out blatant misinformation there.
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