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What is your CPU-NB voltage set to and have you tried lowing the multiplier to see if that helps?
Whats your ambient temps? 56C is getting up there. Have you tried using a different fan on the cpu cooler?

I would say try lowering the Vcore and leave the CPU speed as is and see if it's still stable. Does your CPU have the Vcore set to 1.425 by default? I know mine did yet I could run the cpu at the same speed yours is with only 1.375v.

Sorry about all the questions.

EDIT (people posted while I was typing this >_>):
Try lowering the CPU-NB frequency and/or raising the cpu-nb voltage.
Edited by xxpenguinxx - 4/30/11 at 7:56pm
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CPU-NB is set at 1.5V however I've been lazy so I haven't tested going lower, however, the temps are okay so I'll worry about it later. Everest tells me mobo is at 27C.
I haven't tried lowering the multiplier, I'm new to this so I don't know everything, I'll try that.
My ambient temps are 23.5C, did you mean 56C is too high? Remember it's the core temp, not surface.
My motherboard would set the vcore too high too, to like 1.4V even though it runs fine at 1.325V or 1.35V at stock.
However I have to use offset voltage, and I cant go under 14x multiplier or over 18.5x (or over 300 BCLK) because I want cool and quiet to be enabled, it requires offset voltage...
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CPU-NB is set at 1.5V however I've been lazy so I haven't tested going lower, however, the temps are okay so I'll worry about it later. Everest tells me mobo is at 27C.
I haven't tried lowering the multiplier, I'm new to this so I don't know everything, I'll try that.
My ambient temps are 23.5C, did you mean 56C is too high? Remember it's the core temp, not surface.
My motherboard would set the vcore too high too, to like 1.4V even though it runs fine at 1.325V or 1.35V at stock.
However I have to use offset voltage, and I cant go under 14x multiplier or over 18.5x (or over 300 BCLK) because I want cool and quiet to be enabled, it requires offset voltage...
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CPU-NB should be changed to CPU voltage, thats why you cant OC. there should be an option to change CPU and northbridge options to unlink them or somthing. You should ONLY set the CPU voltage to 1.55 and NOT the CPU-NB
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CPU-NB is on auto atm, it sets it to 1.5V, because my NB is overclocked to 2890MHz
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Hey guys, I'm new to Overclock.net! So hello to you all.
I have some problems overclocking my system, I'm pretty new to this so if you see anything I could do better, please tell me.

Anyway...
Can my chip really be so bad?
It's the BE version C3 revision, people hit 4.0-4.2GHz easily with 1.4-1.5 voltage.
I can't even hit 3.9GHz with 1.5V.
Can you guys help me a bit, 1.5V seems to high.
Currently my settings are:
Bus clock: 240 (Up from 200 stock)
Memory: 1600 CL8 1.65V (Stock, with a higher base clock, higher divider)
NB: 2890MHz (Up from 2000MHz stock)
HT: 2160MHz (Up from 2000MHz stock)
CPU: 3720MHz 1.48V (Temporary, seems stable for now, up from 3600MHz)

Also, I tried overclocking to near 4.0GHz with 1.5V, my core temps went up to 56°C, with my CPU fan at 100% (1500RPM), is this normal?
My CPU cooler is slightly better than a Mugen2 to give you an idea, is this normal, is my cooler broken or is it the voltage?
Easy way to see if your chip is a dud overclocker is set the CPU-voltage to 1.4v and set the multi to 19x, bclk to 200. (3.8Ghz) if it cant get that then you might have problems :/
Also for 4Ghz I would reccomend setting the NB to 1.2-1.3v and 12-13x on the NB multi (you want between 2400-2600+)

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Originally Posted by naikee View Post
CPU-NB is set at 1.5V however I've been lazy so I haven't tested going lower, however, the temps are okay so I'll worry about it later. Everest tells me mobo is at 27C.
I haven't tried lowering the multiplier, I'm new to this so I don't know everything, I'll try that.
My ambient temps are 23.5C, did you mean 56C is too high? Remember it's the core temp, not surface.
My motherboard would set the vcore too high too, to like 1.4V even though it runs fine at 1.325V or 1.35V at stock.
However I have to use offset voltage, and I cant go under 14x multiplier or over 18.5x (or over 300 BCLK) because I want cool and quiet to be enabled, it requires offset voltage...
62'c is for the motherboard CPU temp, 55ish'c for the cores IIRC.
For a 4Ghz you could try some of these settings:
Ranging from highest multi to highest bclk. The higher the bclk, the higher the RAM runs/HT-link/NB so those might also become instable.
20x200@1.5v (easiest, if you pass about 25-50 runs of IBT lower the voltage by 1 notch and then try again)
19x211@1.5v (same as above)
18.5x217@1.5v (same as above)

I would be hesitant going above 230bclk because then you could run into motherboard instability as well. Only when going for a maximum overclock should you do this.
Also these chips require a lot of volts to go above and beyond 3.8Ghz. I can get 3.8Ghz@1.375v but then need 1.584v for 4.2Ghz, I am on air though
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No, it's 62C for the cores, not surface, I'm 100% sure of this, a few days ago I researched this on the internet and found an amd support reply somewhere.
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...question regarding the temperatures with your processor. the maximum temperature threshold is 62 Celsius which set for the internal die (core) temperature of the chip.
Paul~

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I just recently had your email forwarded to my department.

Concerning your question regarding the temperatures with your processor. (1090) the maximum temperature threshold is 62 Celsius which set for the internal die (core) temperature of the chip. The core temperatures have an equational offset to determine temperature which equalizes at about 45 Celsius thus giving you more accurate readings at peak temperatures. The hindrance in this is the sub ambient idle temperature readings you speak of.

The silicon and adhesives used in manufacturing these processors has a peak temperature rating of 97+ Celsius before any form of degradation will take place. The processor also has a thermal shut off safe guard in place that shuts the processor down at 90 Celsius.

The Cpu temperature is read form a sensor embedded within the socket of your motherboard causing about a 7-10 Celsius variance form the actual Cpu temperature, which may be what you are reading about on the net.

You can use an application called AMD overdrive, that will allow you to monitor your temperatures accurately.

As long as your core temperature has not exceeded the high side of the 60 degree mark for extended periods of time you should be ok. 62 degrees holds a generous safety net to begin with.

I hope I was able to answer your questions, If you have any more inquiries don't hesitate to contact us.


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So you say I shouldn't go over 230BCLK?
I was under the impression that increasing the BCLK is more "profitable" then just fiddling around with the multipliers.
Edit: Is my NB clocked "too high"?
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No, it's 62C for the cores, not surface, I'm 100% sure of this, a few days ago I researched this on the internet and found an amd support reply somewhere.

Paul~

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I just recently had your email forwarded to my department.

Concerning your question regarding the temperatures with your processor. (1090) the maximum temperature threshold is 62 Celsius which set for the internal die (core) temperature of the chip. The core temperatures have an equational offset to determine temperature which equalizes at about 45 Celsius thus giving you more accurate readings at peak temperatures. The hindrance in this is the sub ambient idle temperature readings you speak of.

The silicon and adhesives used in manufacturing these processors has a peak temperature rating of 97+ Celsius before any form of degradation will take place. The processor also has a thermal shut off safe guard in place that shuts the processor down at 90 Celsius.

The Cpu temperature is read form a sensor embedded within the socket of your motherboard causing about a 7-10 Celsius variance form the actual Cpu temperature, which may be what you are reading about on the net.

You can use an application called AMD overdrive, that will allow you to monitor your temperatures accurately.

As long as your core temperature has not exceeded the high side of the 60 degree mark for extended periods of time you should be ok. 62 degrees holds a generous safety net to begin with.

I hope I was able to answer your questions, If you have any more inquiries don't hesitate to contact us.


Thank You

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2950 East Harmony Road
Suite 300
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So you say I shouldn't go over 230BCLK?
I was under the impression that increasing the BCLK is more "profitable" then just fiddling around with the multipliers.
Edit: Is my NB clocked "too high"?
Yes 62'c is the max, but beyond 55'c is the zone you want to avoid as it will lead to instabilities due to the increased heat. Increasing the BCLK is better only if your other components such as the RAM/North-Bridge/HT-Link can take it ie, are stable at the higher Mhz. Increasing the Bclk does mean that you could run into stabilites unrelated to your CPU. ie, your RAM could be running way beyond spec and BSOD'ing your computer because you upped the BCLK.
I would fiddle around with balancing out the multi with the BCLK to find the best combo that both increases the speed of your other components as well as your CPU running at 4Ghz
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I'll try to lower my BCLK, and use the multis more now.
Any other ideas?
I got my ram stable at (at least it seems so after a fast blend in prime) 1200 CL6.
Is 1200 CL6 any worse than 1600 CL8? The access time is theoretically the same.
Edited by naikee - 5/1/11 at 6:39am
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AMD will prefer 1200 cl6 to 1600 cl8. Whereas Intel would prefer 1600 CL8 to 1200 cl6
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Does overclocking ram even lead to significantly better results like GPU and CPU overclocking?
It seems my ram is not very good at clocking, so I was planning to leave it pretty much stock, is it a bad idea?
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