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There are currently existing suitable substitutions for fossil fuels? Enlighten me.
Wind and Nuclear are cost competitive with coal and oil, electrically speaking.
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There are currently existing suitable substitutions for fossil fuels? Enlighten me.
No one said anything about substitutions. It currently is about augmentation. Solar and wind will eventually increase percentages. Look at a country like Germany.....
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No one said anything about substitutions. It currently is about augmentation. Solar and wind will eventually increase percentages. Look at a country like Germany.....
i hear they buy a lot of electricity from france
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i hear they buy a lot of electricity from france
Correct, but they are investing to decrease their dependency on France's nuclear power. They have much less qualm's about wind/solar than the US (which has more suitable areas for both).
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i hear they buy a lot of electricity from france
and france gets 80% of its energy from nuclear reactors. Touche.

@thread, so this is just a big fusor. Lol. Wait for NIF.
post #16 of 87
As such, let me make it clear to everyone who doesn't see the other side of the oil coin that often gets left behind in conversation.

Until 50% of the products that you purchase are made from other sources than derived from petrol chemicals, oil usage will not drop.

Oil for gasoline is not nearly the reported consumer amount when upwards of 75% of products purchased in the last 50 years are oil-based in production.

Computers, lighters, lamps, tables, chairs, plastics, containers, cars, utensils, bags, and the list just keeps going.
    
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But if we start to reduce the use of Oil as fuel (cars, vehicles, etc), wouldn't it eventually drive down the costs of everything else made with Oil because of the increase of abundance of it? Theoretically speaking that is.
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But if we start to reduce the use of Oil as fuel (cars, vehicles, etc), wouldn't it eventually drive down the costs of everything else made with Oil because of the increase of abundance of it? Theoretically speaking that is.
The oil as fuel problem exists because of emissions, not because of consumption. That's a myth.

There is still more oil that goes into production than is consumed as fuel in vehicles.

So, if you remove oil as fuel in the equation, what does it matter the price of oil at that point? People aren't complaining (some are but let's not get political ) how much things cost today compared to 10, 20, 30+ years ago. Services cost more today than they did, but products cost less.
    
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^Natural gas based, not oil based. Most of the major plastic types are derived from short chain hydrocarbons; methane, ethane, propane, etc. Polyethylene, polypropylene, polyvinyl chloride, etc, are all derived from natural gas.


Don't conflate the terms "hydrocarbon", "fossil fuel", "oil", and "natural gas". They all mean very specific things and if you mix them up you sound like a tard.
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Fusion power enables light farms on which we could grow biodiesel and biogasoline at night, in the winter, whenever, however. Biodiesel and biogasoline fit into our current infrastructure and already solve the energy density problem.
The problem isn't just energy density. Its effiency. An electric motor is somewhere around 95% efficient at turning stored energy into kinetic energy, versus the 25-35% of a gasoline engine.
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