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That was my plan as well (for replacing an older C2D system), but I'm waiting to see what Bulldozer brings before I buy anything.



Looks like you were putting words into mine, actually. I was pointing out to xd that Llano wasn't suitable for a desktop gaming PC (which was your opinion, initially) then you come at me as if I am the one assuming it was a desktop CPU to begin with.

Whatever. It's either attitude, or a misunderstanding. You can take your pick.
Again, I replied that I didn't think it was fair to say that Llano wouldn't be able to compete in terms of CPU performance since you're comparing 3GHz+ Intel chips to a 1.8GHz Llano one. At the same time, I know Llano contains a slightly modified Deneb core, so I don't really expect it to compete unless AMD was able to somehow get an extreme performance boost out of a tweaked Deneb.
    
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I never said they were gonna be competitive as gaming CPUs in desktops. I said they could be competitive as laptop APUs. You mentioned Intel chips being 3GHz+, but that's only in desktops. In laptops the clocks are lower.

Learn to read.
He's also forgetting the Llano tested was a ES sample,ES samples have lower clocks than finished retail versions. Llano is not meant or gaming,however it might end up in net tops,and higher TDP llano in low-end & mid-end desktops.
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You would be retarded to build a PC based on the 1366 socket for gaming.
It's a 2.5 year old socket that still benchmarks better than newer ones.
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It's a 2.5 year old socket that still benchmarks better than newer ones.
So 1366 i5 at similar clocks will beat an i5 2500k on 1155?......
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So 1366 i5 at similar clocks will beat an i5 2500k on 1155?......
There's no i5 LGA 1366.

Of course, you could make the argument that the Core i7 990X is still the fastest CPU available, albeit by only 5% overall.
    
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There's no i5 LGA 1366.

Of course, you could make the argument that the Core i7 990X is still the fastest CPU available, albeit by only 5% overall.
My bad I ment the i7 bloomfeild.
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That was my plan as well (for replacing an older C2D system), but I'm waiting to see what Bulldozer brings before I buy anything.



Looks like you were putting words into mine, actually. I was pointing out to xd that Llano wasn't suitable for a desktop gaming PC (which was your opinion, initially) then you come at me as if I am the one assuming it was a desktop CPU to begin with.

Whatever. It's either attitude, or a misunderstanding. You can take your pick.
Yeah same here.. The only thing holding me back for an i3 build with ivy proofing is the review of dozer platform... and maybe some "unconfirmed" bias that games seem to have on intel arch..
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Originally Posted by amurph0 View Post
Best High End Chip: 2500k
Best Mid-Range Chip: Phenom II x4
Best Budget Chip: Athlon II x3

(Based on Price/Performance)
Exactly what I've been trying to say, you get heaps of Intel guys saying that the Phenom II sucks for gaming when it really doesn't, AMD is owning the mid-range and low-end for overclockers these days.

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I don't regret building my 1366 System for a Minute. It's given me years of enjoyment already but for gaming and crazy OC's SB is where its at I agree. But it is a NEWER ARCHITECTURE after all lol Still 1366 is the home of the Hexa cores atleast for the time being. Still a fantastic platform

Yeah, a few years ago or even a few months ago, 1366 was king, now you're just better off waiting for 2011 (Hexacores on that for SB, Octo for IB I think)


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have to agree with this, if you can get an intel hexa for cheap 1366 is defiantly the way to go, if not sandybridge.
Not really, unless you want to have people with Hexacores that are faster clock and end up at 5Ghz anyway in a few months, you'd be better off getting a HD7xx0 when they come out sometime soon and then getting SB or IB when that's out.

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Originally Posted by SpeedNuggeT View Post
Thuban is terrible. i owned one for all of 3 months then it got swapped for a core i7 970
And assuming we don't have the cash for a 970 and GTX 580 TriSLI?

Thuban is very good because it's cheaper than most of the overclockable Intel chips (Thuban is ~AU$250, plus AU$150 for a good board with 8 phases vs AU$299 for a i7 950 and AU$209 for a 1366 board)

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Originally Posted by MrTOOSHORT View Post
The best gaming cpu as of April 2011, with price/performance ratio in mind, is the 2500K no doubt.

It's killer.
Indeed, if you have the cash for the 2500k, it's easily the best chip out there for nearly anything.

Unless you want to bank on Bulldozer being good and buy an AM3+ board now.


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Originally Posted by blaze200 View Post
Who buys a thuban to mainly play games? o.o you don't need a hexacore for that... sandy being faster per clock is much more logical since games cant use those extra cores anyway.
Because a lot of people do more than just game? I know this is purely for gaming, but Thuban is good because it gets you decent performance in everything for a low price.

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Originally Posted by SpeedNuggeT View Post
I think stating that a 1055T is terrible is true, and if the trolls want proof i would be more than happy to show the CPU bottlenecks.

If you guys are happy with your 1055T then that's fine. But, it's terrible compared to the intel chips.
Sure, there's heaps of difference in benchmarks but in the real world? For a budget gamer with one card? The difference is fairly small at best.

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Originally Posted by Razi3l View Post
No i3 5xx .. disappointing since those are cheap and overclock pretty well.. though their stock performance isn't as good as some of those Athlon X4s..
Yeah, but they're EOL, there's no real upgrade path whereas with the Athlon II x4s you could buy a AM3+ board with it, I know there's some down here in Aus.

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Originally Posted by Atomfix View Post
Why the flames about the Thuban chips? *Thinks*
The people who can afford a very high-end rig who don't exactly realize not everyone can afford said rig, Thuban is excellent value for money.

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Originally Posted by Korlus View Post
For enthusiasts (overclockers) the only sandy bridge chips that I recommend are the -k series. Anything else can generally be outperformed by a cheaper chip when overclocked. My budget basically had me trying to choose between an 1156 i3, an i5 2300 and a Phenom II x4. While it's true that the overclocked i3 would outperform the Phenom II in a lot of games, it's not a quad-core, and therefore I preferred the Phenom for future-proofing. The i5 2300 was more expensive, and similar in performance to a Phenom II x4 running at 3.8-4Ghz.


Ultimately, I wish I'd had the money for a 2500k, but I'm very happy with my Phenom II. The only game I've had problems with it in is starcraft 2 on a custom map with an insane amount of mineral crystals in one area. All of the graphics put through the CPU made it want to commit suicide. Every other game has been either limited by the GPU (my 6850) or run at over 75 fps.



I *know* that architecturally the Intel chips are better, but for £100, the Phenom II x4 is very competitive for its price. The i3 2100 costs around £90, the 540 around £85 and the newer sandy-bridge i5's are around the £150-70 mark.


I just wish that all sandy bridge chips allowed reasonable overclocking...
Ultimately this is exactly what goes through the mind of someone who'd rather say, spend money on a GPU, SSD, etc than a CPU that won't make too much difference for them. (Not everyone does stuff that is limited by the CPU before anyone points out how much faster SB is.)

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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post
i3 2100 is still better than any PII X4s. Non-K series allows for limited overclocks, up to 4.1GHz on a single core and 3.8GHz on all cores. PII X4 would need to be over 4.5GHz to match a 3.8GHz i3-2100.
Dual core with HT, isn't it? Meaning the more cores you need to use, the more that the i3 is slowed down compared to the Phenom II.

And over 4.5Ghz in a 24/7 stable setting isn't unheard of for Phenom IIs (He's using water though)
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Originally Posted by Canadarocker View Post
Why is the 2600K the top? It doesn't have anything better (for gaming) on the 2500K
Because it is a tiny bit better for games that can use more than 4 cores (Eg. SupCom) and TH would get flamed if they didn't include it.

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Originally Posted by xd_1771 View Post
I got my Thuban 1 year ago around the time it first released, and at the time it was of great value. It continues to serve my video editing needs well, being as fast as the Nehalem Core i7 clock-for-clock in such multithreaded apps.

I would say Bulldozer and Llano are going to kill the low end Sandy Bridge market. The i3 2100 is sticking yourself into a street with a dead end on both sides. The only way to upgrade with decent benefit is to get the i5 2500k. Llano and Bulldozer will both be able to OC and will probably fill such low end markets nicely. I foresee a popular low-cost 4-core (2-module) Bulldozer as well as dual-core or quad-core AMD Llano processor winning the price-performance battle later this year.
This, I can foresee a few budget gamers not even getting off Llano's integrated GPU too.

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Originally Posted by pursuinginsanity View Post
From what I've seen of Llano, its clocks are far too low to compete as a "gaming cpu" in the desktop marketplace.
Implying that no-one overclocks or that there's a Intel chip that can game as well for the same price. (Considering the IGP in Llano will be very capable, I doubt that'd be possible)

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Originally Posted by Domino View Post
Good list. Quite expected. Though honestly, I'm surprised the PII X4 was on there.
Why? There's not too much difference for the price and AMD practically owns the bottom half of the market for overclockers since Intel locked out most of the OCing for that section of the market.

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Originally Posted by pursuinginsanity View Post
Clocks speeds matter a lot when you consider the only Llano we've seen in action was at 1.8ghz. Do you think it's going to be able to compete, as a gaming CPU, with 3+ghz Intel chips? Or even other AMD chips?

The article is talking about GAMING CPUs. I specifically said Llano, at those clock speeds, can't compete AS A GAMING CPU. Said nothing about not being a good product. Good grief. Get a hold of yourself, and think first.
I'm fairly sure the first Nehalem we saw was at 1Ghz or something similar...ES clock speeds aren't final, and that 1.8Ghz final isn't necessarily the final clock speed.

For budget gaming, Llano will own simply because you simply buy a slightly more expensive CPU than the Intel chip and end up with the performance of an AU$100 GPU as the IGP as well.

Not to mention, it's a laptop chip, if you honestly think a 45w quad engineering sample from an early batch of chips with 480 shader cores is going to have the same clock speed as a 100w or 65w quad with 400 shader cores after a new revision so yields go up...Well, yeah, please, read up on this stuff before you shoot your mouth off, common sense dictates that that extra 20w for the 65w chip, or the extra 55w would let them increase clock speeds a bit, I'll be surprised if there isn't a 3Ghz+ Llano.

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Originally Posted by LOL_Wut_Axel View Post
Says the guy who's never made a useful post.

Pro tip: look at all the rep I've made in three months and look at the amount you have.
I get more rep for just posting my opinions on hardware based on what I know than from helping anyone, does that mean that my opinions become useful posts? Some people just rep for anything.
    
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Best High End Chip: 2500k
Best Mid-Range Chip: Phenom II x4
Best Budget Chip: Athlon II x3

(Based on Price/Performance)
Phenom 2 X4 is high end
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For those flaming Thuban for gaming performance over the Deneb... Thuban isn't just 2 more cores. It also overclocks higher and has a better IMC that can run 2000MHz RAM at tighter timings. Thuban > Deneb in gaming and everything else.

Now given the current costs, if you had to buy now, I would grab a 2500k because it's currently best bang for the buck by far. I am going to wait and see how Bulldozer does and then decide if I want to upgrade. The fact that Bulldozer will go into my beloved Crosshair IV makes me lean towards that upgrade.
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