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I absolutely agree that it's the best overclocking Gigabyte X58 board.

Really, I'm just upset with Gigabyte for "releasing" it months before it would become available, especially when X58 is so close to the end of its effective lifetime.

I still stand by what I said above, though. While it's a very capable board, if connectivity is one of your main points, this board isn't for you.

Unless you like to use external controllers for everything. This board would do very well with an audio card, a Sata6 card, and a USB 3.0 card, depending on how much you want/need.
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Bass is thinking like me, for anything under like 4.9Ghz there isn't any benefit to a new board over his ud5 except the usb 3.0 & sata6G.
If the OP really wants to push more or is just set on getting a new board the OC can't hurt.
    
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Originally Posted by FtW 420;13344441 
Bass is thinking like me, for anything under like 4.9Ghz there isn't any benefit to a new board over his ud5 except the usb 3.0 & sata6G.
If the OP really wants to push more or is just set on getting a new board the OC can't hurt.

Yup. If I could wait longer, I'd have an OC. The board is awesome... I'm pretty sure I'll still own one at some point, just not yet.
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Ok here are my preferences:


1.)Since I only have an i7 950 a target max oc higher than 4.5-4.7 is not achievable because the chip is just not built to operate at these speeds even though if it would be stable in Prime.
So I definately won´t be buying a board for a higher overclock but for a more stable overclock at 4.5 or 4.6 GHZ with only a little amount of Vcore.
Here an example my UD5 rev.2 can keep 4.1 GHZ at 1.21 Vcore 100% load stable without any problems whatsoever ..I have had these settings for a year 24/7 no prob.
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And with my new board I want even better results.

2.)Connectivity isn´t the world but a factor: Personally I think USB 3.0 is useless what I am interested in is a better SATA Controller or at least ports with a higher bandwidth my old UD5 had.
Bascially the 4 USB´s on the OC would be enough for me ....mouse,keyboard , 360 controller and Flash Drive that is ok...but like I said Sata Controller is way more important here

3.)The positioning of the PCI slots.
From the videos I have gathered that they have the exact same positioning of all Slots with the only difference that the UD7 has 3x 16x PCIE and the OC only has 2x16 PCIE

4.)What I mean with compatability is the snychronization the boards have with certain hardware ...RAM or GPU problems for example...in theory every board should have no problems with DD3 Memory or certain cards but we all know that is sometimes not the case:)

e.)Availability and Arrival is a big factor right now ...because I hope I can sell my UD5 in the next week and I don´t want to remain boardless for over a week.
Also I live in Germany which concerns me even more because I am sure if you americans are talking about some weeks it is some months for me.
And looking at the comparison results now I am not sure I would wait months for this board.


The main factor for me is of course overclocking!
I am an extreme enthusiast and overclocker.
I spend months perfecting every voltage every clock and every setting to keep my OC as low as stable and turbolent as possible.
I tested , I tweaked and I loved it.

So the most decisive factor will be the overclockability of the CPU and GPU.
The video in which the producers presented the board the chinese guy which by the way shouldn´t be talking at all said something about "regulating the GPU voltage of the PCI" with the SATA Controller in order to provide a higher and more stable GPU overclock?
Now that craved my attention immediately.

You have to understand I am on a UD5 rev.2 now and I am buying a board to see superior results and technology.
I am well aware that X58 is dead but I am glad that revisions are still made.
So I absolutely not interested in 4 GHZ buttons and extra power insertion that is unecessary.
I am only interested in structural enhancements that ensure a better and more efficient overclock and by that I don´t mean PWM, frequency or phase improvements I am talking about reallife modifications.

So that is basically in my head right now.

And please people keep it about OC vs. UD7:)
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well to be honest this board uses the best SATA6G controller there is that isn't Intel based. LSDMEASAP tested RAID 0 with his C300s and it worked MUCh better than marvell se1928 that is on all other X58 boards. This board and the G1 series are teh only ones with teh SE9182. So even a highpoint rocket RAId with dual SE9128s and a PLX bridge would be head to head with the SE9182, i beched 9182 in single drive against PCh P67 to find that it matched PCH P67 head ot head as well.

If you want extra USb then you need to buy a USB controller, but idk who uses more than 6 USB ports, if you do then yea this board isn't for you..

If you are a gamer tho, the PCI-E spacing is great for normal ATX sized board.

IDK if i had an orange color scheme this board really glows nicly in the dark, its really sexy looking board. I consider it an upgrade. If you have hard time getting to 4ghz then well this board can do it for you, but yea i gotta agree this board is for benchers and subzero OC.

The UD5 has tons of extra connectivity like dual LAN, 6 channel audio, too many USB, eSATA, and even stupid IEEE. Personally i don't use those things.

Anyways if you change your board its just a sidegrade in any case, unless you want to go subzero. When i was a newer OCer id change the board just for looks.

If i was you id buy the X58A-OC, you have those GTX 295s and they could always use more PCI-E power from the sata pwoer connectors.

here is my comparison of they controllers(g1 assassin has same sata controller as the OC board):
asssdcomparision.png


did you read my review? honestly i do now think the OC board is better for you because of the sata increased speed you want, the PCI-E 16x triple slot spacing, extra PCI-E power, lower demanded voltage for Vcore.
The X58A-OC isn't reserved for extreme Ocers.
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The technology behind the OC is much more updated than the UD7. Unnecessary components were removed from the board so the budget for quality overclocking parts, like the POSCaps, could be used on the OC. The OC will definitely be the better overclocker, between the two.

Check Sin's review that he linked earlier. It covers everything you want to know.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kung Pow;13345310 

You have to understand I am on a UD5 rev.2 now and I am buying a board to see superior results and technology.
I am well aware that X58 is dead but I am glad that revisions are still made.
So I absolutely not interested in 4 GHZ buttons and extra power insertion that is unecessary.
I am only interested in structural enhancements that ensure a better and more efficient overclock and by that I don´t mean PWM, frequency or phase improvements I am talking about reallife modifications.

So that is basically in my head right now.

And please people keep it about OC vs. UD7:)

wut?

care to explain?
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Originally Posted by Sin0822;13345340 
well to be honest this board uses the best SATA6G controller there is that isn't Intel based. LSDMEASAP tested RAID 0 with his C300s and it worked MUCh better than marvell se1928 that is on all other X58 boards. This board and the G1 series are teh only ones with teh SE9182. So even a highpoint rocket RAId with dual SE9128s and a PLX bridge would be head to head with the SE9182, i beched 9182 in single drive against PCh P67 to find that it matched PCH P67 head ot head as well.

If you want extra USb then you need to buy a USB controller, but idk who uses more than 6 USB ports, if you do then yea this board isn't for you..

If you are a gamer tho, the PCI-E spacing is great for normal ATX sized board.

IDK if i had an orange color scheme this board really glows nicly in the dark, its really sexy looking board. I consider it an upgrade. If you have hard time getting to 4ghz then well this board can do it for you, but yea i gotta agree this board is for benchers and subzero OC.

The UD5 has tons of extra connectivity like dual LAN, 6 channel audio, too many USB, eSATA, and even stupid IEEE. Personally i don't use those things.

Anyways if you change your board its just a sidegrade in any case, unless you want to go subzero. When i was a newer OCer id change the board just for looks.

If i was you id buy the X58A-OC, you have those GTX 295s and they could always use more PCI-E power from the sata pwoer connectors.

here is my comparison of they controllers(g1 assassin has same sata controller as the OC board):
asssdcomparision.png


did you read my review? honestly i do now think the OC board is better for you because of the sata increased speed you want, the PCI-E 16x triple slot spacing, extra PCI-E power, lower demanded voltage for Vcore.
The X58A-OC isn't reserved for extreme Ocers.

Since I am an extreme overclocking ethusaist I too don´t care much about USB , Dual LAN or Audio like I said.

The only thing I am interested in is the SATA Controller and if you say it is of higher quality than the marvel that is ok.

The OC is becoming more attractive by the minute.
One thing though ...The producers clearly said there were only 2 16x PCIE slots not three like with the UD7.

I don´t have the GTX 295 Quad anymore ..with my Mobo update I will get 2x6950 Twin Frozr III as temporary update until Kepler.

So right now the only thing left to discuss is the price and release.
Since I am hoping to sell my UD5 next week I will be boardless as of approximately thursday.


Also I live in Europe which means I will even have to wait longer.

The big question right now is ...will the OC really feature so much more than the UD7 in terms of overclocking revisioned technology of such urgency that I should wait the full time until it is available in Germany ...not even knowing at what price point it will come in?
and in the meantime use my Laptop.

Or should I just get the UD7 now and be done with it because major overclocking differences will not be noticed?

I checked all reviews and they are very good but they still don´t overwhelm your oppinions:)
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in your shoes id buy the OC board over the UD7 in a heartbeat. VRM is structural enhancements to help OC ability. Extra power/better voltage regulation= better OC potential. Apart from that a mobo doesn't have much more structural enhancments to help OC. The buttons are really nifty honestly the best part of the board other than the VRM. Next i love the DIP switches for the BIOS so you can switch physically between the BIOSes and for the switching frequency. The heatsink on the OC board is really hefty, its heavy and it cools very well, and the LEDs are really good looking. the extra 8 pin connector and the extra PCI-E power are also structural enhancements which will help OC your GPus a lot. POSCaps are a big deal, the electronics for the OC board along with the new inductors are redesigned, you can just toss in ultra low ESR capacitors and not change the inductors and general power supply design, so yes the OC board has reworked power supplies and power delivery. The voltage read points are beneficial for any type of OCing so you can see the real voltage.

On the UD7 most of these things you can make work, like you can solder wires to voltage read points. you can use software for OCing instead of hardware, and you already know how to hit 4ghz.

What i love about the OC board is that it gives you the option to subzero OC really easily. all you need is a POT, some dielectric grease, some neoprene, and some dry ice. Or a phase change unit for 24/7. The board is so easy to insulate.
Marvell is the ONLY company that makes off die SATA6G controllers that are used in our boards. The OC board has the MOST updated marvell controller and its much better than the previous marvell controller, and it can also do RAID0 with ease which was the problem of teh SE9128.

here is the thing, there are ONLY 32 lanes of PCI-E to all the PCI-E slots. The UD7 can ONLY run 2 slots at full 16x, if three are populated then one card will run at 16x and the other two at 8x.

The OC board has 4 PCI-E slots and the top one and the middle one are 16x slots and the other two are 8x slots, putting two cards one in each 16x slot you will have triple slot spacing for better cooling. The number of lanes on both boards are the same.

The PCI-E layout of the OC board is superior for SLI setups compared to the UD7.

HONESTLY read this:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=269897

goto the voltage regulation section and get educated because in my review i aim to educate users on the VRMs. I also go over all the onboard chips. The amount of fan connectors with control is immense as well as temp sensors. The board has dual hardware monitoring chips.
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Originally Posted by Sin0822;13345840 
in your shoes id buy the OC board over the UD7 in a heartbeat. VRM is structural enhancements to help OC ability. Extra power/better voltage regulation= better OC potential. Apart from that a mobo doesn't have much more structural enhancments to help OC. The buttons are really nifty honestly the best part of the board other than the VRM. Next i love the DIP switches for the BIOS so you can switch physically between the BIOSes and for the switching frequency. The heatsink on the OC board is really hefty, its heavy and it cools very well, and the LEDs are really good looking. the extra 8 pin connector and the extra PCI-E power are also structural enhancements which will help OC your GPus a lot. POSCaps are a big deal, the electronics for the OC board along with the new inductors are redesigned, you can just toss in ultra low ESR capacitors and not change the inductors and general power supply design, so yes the OC board has reworked power supplies and power delivery. The voltage read points are beneficial for any type of OCing so you can see the real voltage.

On the UD7 most of these things you can make work, like you can solder wires to voltage read points. you can use software for OCing instead of hardware, and you already know how to hit 4ghz.

What i love about the OC board is that it gives you the option to subzero OC really easily. all you need is a POT, some dielectric grease, some neoprene, and some dry ice. Or a phase change unit for 24/7. The board is so easy to insulate.
Marvell is the ONLY company that makes off die SATA6G controllers that are used in our boards. The OC board has the MOST updated marvell controller and its much better than the previous marvell controller, and it can also do RAID0 with ease which was the problem of teh SE9128.

here is the thing, there are ONLY 32 lanes of PCI-E to all the PCI-E slots. The UD7 can ONLY run 2 slots at full 16x, if three are populated then one card will run at 16x and the other two at 8x.

The OC board has 4 PCI-E slots and the top one and the middle one are 16x slots and the other two are 8x slots, putting two cards one in each 16x slot you will have triple slot spacing for better cooling. The number of lanes on both boards are the same.

The PCI-E layout of the OC board is superior for SLI setups compared to the UD7.


Ok guy I am convinced^^ the OC is the better buy for me:)
Also lol for saying "Here is the thing" I just finished my Monk marathon:D
But please consider this :

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kung Pow;13345657 

So right now the only thing left to discuss is the price and release.
Since I am hoping to sell my UD5 next week I will be boardless as of approximately thursday.


Also I live in Europe which means I will even have to wait longer.

The big question right now is ...will the OC really feature so much more than the UD7 in terms of overclocking revisioned technology of such urgency that I should wait the full time until it is available in Germany ...not even knowing at what price point it will come in?
and in the meantime use my Laptop.

Or should I just get the UD7 now and be done with it because major overclocking differences will not be noticed?


I checked all reviews and they are very good but they still don´t overwhelm your oppinions:)

Is it really worth wating for a board of which neither release date nor price are issued?
Also because I live in Germany it is unclear if the board will take even longer to be released in Europe than in the US.
I now know that the OC is superior over the UD7 but is it worth waiting that long and eventually paying more?

Also one little last thing: what was all that about the SATA Controller helping the PCI Slots regulating the power so you can have a more stable GPU overclock?
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