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what are you talking about dude? how can you disprove me by showing that you have a good CPU?

i have seen many CPUs like yours, nothing special.

anyways the X58A-OC shipps today to everywhere in teh world.
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what are you talking about dude? how can you disprove me by showing that you have a good CPU?

i have seen many CPUs like yours, nothing special.

anyways the X58A-OC shipps today to everywhere in teh world.
I am sorry I used the wrong term.
Of course it does not disprove anything but it shows you that if such a result can be achieved on a UD5 a UD7 could even bring it further.

Actually my results aren´t that great and like you said nothing special.
However I would like you to note that it is not the CPU that enables me to achieve those results and also not the board actually ....rather than my extreme testing and precise overclocking that made this possible
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I am sorry I used the wrong term.
Of course it does not disprove anything but it shows you that if such a result can be achieved on a UD5 a UD7 could even bring it further.

Actually my results aren´t that great and like you said nothing special.
However I would like you to note that it is not the CPU that enables me to achieve those results and also not the board actually ....rather than my extreme testing and precise overclocking that made this possible
I'll still stand by my earlier statements, I really don't think you will see any improvement with a ud7 over the ud5. I had a rev.1 ud5 & have a rev. 2 ud7, I would rather have the old ud5 again over the ud7. It overclocked just as well, & with high overclocks on the cpu the ud5 was better for 3d.
Nowadays I usually just use my ud3r for benching, it does everything the ud7 does.
It really is up to you if you just want a new board, just saying you might be disappointed if you expect more from the ud7 than what you can already get.
Don't personally know if the OC would give you improvement either, can't wait to try one myself & see if it makes any difference.
    
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I'll still stand by my earlier statements, I really don't think you will see any improvement with a ud7 over the ud5. I had a rev.1 ud5 & have a rev. 2 ud7, I would rather have the old ud5 again over the ud7. It overclocked just as well, & with high overclocks on the cpu the ud5 was better for 3d.
Nowadays I usually just use my ud3r for benching, it does everything the ud7 does.
It really is up to you if you just want a new board, just saying you might be disappointed if you expect more from the ud7 than what you can already get.
Don't personally know if the OC would give you improvement either, can't wait to try one myself & see if it makes any difference.
There are minor changes and updated done on the UD7 rev.2 compared to the UD5.
I have the EX58 UD5 rev.2 myself.
Great board , overclocks well and everything.
But again I am selling because the PCI power delivery is messed up and my gpu´s DVI connector always is charged and shocking me^^
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I would take the OC, it's 99% likely going to perform better and it's not really lacking any significant features that the UD7 would bring. If you were talking about one of the G1 boards, or the R3E or R3E black I'd understand cause you could weigh up some real feature differences. But OC vs UD7 is a no brainer to me.
     
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I would take the OC, it's 99% likely going to perform better and it's not really lacking any significant features that the UD7 would bring. If you were talking about one of the G1 boards, or the R3E or R3E black I'd understand cause you could weigh up some real feature differences. But OC vs UD7 is a no brainer to me.
Hmm..at at this point we can only speculate.
Have you read my conversation with the Gigabyte tech guy?

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I really drilled the tech with questions actually.
Because he kept insinuating the OC wasn´t that big of a deal anyway.
Then at the end I was getting a little harsh and annoyed by the fact that Gigabyte kept advertising for a revolutionary upgrade in X58 history etc etc.

I asked three very clear and aboslute questions.

1.)Is there a significant or at least noticable difference in a.)overclocking efficiency , b.)overclocking durability , c.)overclocking stability and d.)GPU performance fluctuation & peaking

He responded:Like already mentioned the OC is the creation,production and fully paterned innovation of hicookie.
Gigabyte only had a very slight interference with the board mostly only with some of the standard X58 Gigabyte measurements and materials of course only in affilition to hicookie´s standards.

The actual purpose of the board and ultimate agenda behind its creation was not so much the improvment and enhancment of performance and overclockability but rather the process of making it more conveniant for our customers to do so.
Hicookie always trys to stress this fact as far as possible to make people understand that this is not by any means an attempt to increase performance but rather increase the overclocking standards for the extreme enthusiasts.
GPU performance will be aided but not enhanced or exceeded.

2.)So this is not a revolutionairy step up in Gigabyte overclocking motherboard history?

No, like I mentioned earlier with this release we are trying to reach out and adress our more professional and detail orientated customer circle which appreciates and prefers certain aspects the majority does not.
And that is exactly the purpose of the board , we tryed to reduce the board of functions and featurers considered redundant by this community in order to provide them with more detailed and fitted features modified to their needs for them to be perfectly able to embrace their needs.

3.)So again, and please try to make it clear this time.
In the perspective of the average and professional overclocker, is their any difference or significance in overclocking ability/efficiency and over all overclocking standards in a direct comparsion of the UD7 and the OC Edition?
Also bare in mind to add benchmark results

Asked like that this question is very hard to answer.
I have already told you that in a direct comparison the overclocking efficiency of the OC would not show any advantages or alterations of any significance at all.
That is simply because the board wasn´t designed to do so rather than easing the overclocking process and making it more conveniant for the overclocking enthusiast.
So to make it absolutely clear no you will not be able to note any differences in performance or in your overclock between both boards at all.

4.)Then please stop advertising for this board in such a misleading manner?
I actually find it rather outrages to see so many Gigabyte announcments and press conferences in which they ensure their new X58 release to be the "worlds successor" seeing as in reality you just explained what it is really ment for.

Legally there are no issues with the company´s advertisment.

lol?
Tryed to squeeze everything out to give you an appropriate result.
Also for me there are bigger differences with the UD7 and UD5 in terms of overclocking.
I asked a buddy of mine to bring his UD7 rev.2 over to check my if my CPU clocked just as well as on my EX58 UD5 rev.2

I am sure you saw the screen of my results but just to be sure here again for better comparsion reasons:


On the UD7 I topped that by far.
I chose the exact same settings of this overclock.
195 BCLK with 121 CPU Multi....etc etc if you want I can post the BIOS screens too so you can have an overall look at my BIOS settings.

The UD7 could run the CPU prime stable with 1.15Vcore at 4.1 GHZ with 87 Watts TDP at 100% Load.
That is amazing actually.

I BSOD´ed with 1.14 and I had about 10% performance increase with LoadLineClibration enabled because Vdroop was reduced.
I personally like 1.18 the most because it doesn´t restrain the RAM and applications feel faster again.

I got my 12 GB Kingston Hyper X 1066 .....purposely on 1066 not with the XMP Profile at 1600...so it will clock better.
1950 MHZ with 8-7-8-20-1 at 1.60 - 1.58 Vdimm....normally I runt it at 1560 with 1.50 Vdimm though.
And 1.33 VTT since 12 GB are a weight on the Memory Controller
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dude your GB tech guy thing is like a joke.

Lets put it this way if the X58A-OC cant show you better results than a UD7 then a UD7 Definitely CANNOT IMPROVE OVER THE UD5. The X58A-OC is a better overclocking board than both.

You think a UD7>UD5
But you think OC<UD7
You are <smart

the X58A-OC is GBs best OCing board to date man, being one of the only ppl to have ever actually used on, it is really fresh and welcomed change from the rest of the X58 lineup.
GB techsupport is like their RMa support, prob one in the same.
FYI X58A-UD5 rev 2.0 = X58A-UD7 rev 2.0 trace for trace.
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dude your GB tech guy thing is like a joke.

Lets put it this way if the X58A-OC cant show you better results than a UD7 then a UD7 Definitely CANNOT IMPROVE OVER THE UD5. The X58A-OC is a better overclocking board than both.

You think a UD7>UD5
But you think OC<UD7
You are <smart

the X58A-OC is GBs best OCing board to date man, being one of the only ppl to have ever actually used on, it is really fresh and welcomed change from the rest of the X58 lineup.
GB techsupport is like their RMa support, prob one in the same.
FYI X58A-UD5 rev 2.0 = X58A-UD7 rev 2.0 trace for trace.
First of all there is no need to for insults so please behave
Secondly yeah UD5 and UD7 are identical so in your world 5 = 7 sry but in mine 5<7
There are several changes and modifications made on the UD7 the UD5 does not posess.
I don´t care if you think it is a joke ..I talked to several Gigabyte tech support employees and they all said th same.
If they were so incompitent why are they instated?
I think you are just trying to paint your world a little pink by denying any trace of evidence or fact that disproves your landslides of positive factors and slightly unhealthy affection to this board.

And frankly you are not the only person to have this board lol?
There are plenty others and I am sure not all of them are as "overwhelmed" as you
Only because you like something does not mean you can lose your objective and rational view over it.
Be professional please!
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The UD7 could run the CPU prime stable with 1.15Vcore at 4.1 GHZ with 87 Watts TDP at 100% Load.
No you didn't.

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1950 MHZ with 8-7-8-20-1 at 1.60 - 1.58 Vdimm....normally I runt it at 1560 with 1.50 Vdimm though.
I'd like proof of this... otherwise I'm done with this thread. You've done nothing but troll yourself and everyone here from the beginning.
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I purposely don´t use the XMP profile which sets the RAM at default 1600 MHZ because I have made the experience that with 12 Full banks it is easier and more stable to leave it at 1066 but inducing a high VTT to compensate for the Memory Controllers stress.
That puts even more performance to the table and with the low Vdimm it is stable and keeps cool

And all that is achieved with the EX58 UD5 rev.2 ...UD7 kicks it even up a bit
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