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I'm convinced....Kung Pow is handicapped. You don't listen to guy's that know what they are talking about. Your reasoning for upgrading is redundant. If you want 5.7 buy SB and leave the real clocking to people that know what they are doing.
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If you want 5.7 buy SB and leave the real clocking to people that know what they are doing.
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Dude?
I consulted Gigabyte myself about this?
I quote "The UD7 is capable of operating 3x PCIE cards on three PCIE slots with x16 Speed.
In this configuration it does not matter where and how the cards are aligned. If you howeverchose to only run 2x PCIE cards you would have to choose between 1&3 or 2&4 to run both slots at x16 speed."

Maybe you don´t know enough about the UD7

But one thing is true the OC has better spacing between the slots for air coolers.
Actually that would concern me since my gpu setup is only temporary until Kepler is released I won´t bother to watercool that is why I got 6950 Twin Frozr III with a good non ref air cooler.

The OC is definately superior in some factors no argue there but it will still be too expensive that is for sure.
And 500$ are just not worth the fun in my oppinion,espeacially when it is X58 anyway.
Can only run 2 cards at x16 at one time,introducing a 3rd card will result in two of the cards running at x8,thats how X58 is and its not news.

Straight from the UD7 webpage:

2 x PCI Express x16 slots, running at x16 (PCIEX16_1/PCIEX16_2)
2 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x8 (PCIEX8_1/PCIEX8_2)

If you can just make out in my image the 3 instances of GPU-Z.
CF5870 and 8800GTX for Physx.
1 of the 5870 is at x16.
1 of the 5870 is at x8.
the 8800GTX is at x8.

So thats exactly like XtremeCuztoms told you x16/x8/x8.

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no you guys are WRONGGGG!!!!!! LOL
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believe me they are a great company but some things that their tech says are just lies. i would like the name of the tech because that guy should be reported.

The IOH X58 chipset ONLY has 32 lanes for PCI-E, it has 36 lanes but ONLY 32 are usable for PCI-E slots, same as EVERY X58BOARD. the max lanes that can be distributed throughout its PCI-E slots are 32. That means two slots can run for 16x/16x, if you add another card in there it goes down to 16/8x/8x, even in a 16x slot.


How can you run 16x/16/16x? even with 36 lanes that 48 lanes needed.

and NF200 is a special NVIDIA PCI-E bridge chip which takes the native 32 lanes of PCI-E and doubles the bandwidth to 64 lanes. the ONLY GIGABYTE BOARD WITH AN NF200 is the X58A-UD9, P67A-UD7 and so on, the top of the line GB boards one of them has an NF200, not the rest, and you have to have an NF200 to do 3 lanes of PCI-E at 16x each.

God why is it so hard for people to understand that we know what we are talking about?

honestly gigabyte hasn't set a price yet and retailers don't even have them yet. GIGABYTE is still in the process of deciding the prices for the regional branches. the X58A-OC is not a regional product, its an HQ initiative, so whatever HQ says goes.
Yeah I called again and talked with a different employee which basically said the same thing you just did.
They too asked me which one it was unfortunetly he didn´t state his name still I was able to identify him by his voice and they asured me that he was immediately going to be sanctioned for his actions lol.

The price of the OC is still being optimized that is true.
But it is also certain that the price will depend on the area.
I am 100% sure it will be far cheaper in the US than in Europe like all hardware
As for the UD7 ....I think for the price and features and what you get in general it can keep up just fine with the OC.

While I was talking to the tech I also asked him about the overclocking efficiency of both the UD7 and OC Edition in comparison.
He stated that there would´t be any direct improvments or changes in the overclock of either efficient or more stable nature visible.
Also the reach and extent of the overclock could not be further enhanced by the new OC Edition.
Then I asked what all the fuzz is about and why it is advertised as such.
He responded that the OC Edition´s improvements in overclockability and overclocking standards were of course of benefitial nature to the overclock no argue with that but that there still wouldn´t be any crutial alterations or rectifications notable in a direct comparison to the UD7.

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I'm convinced....Kung Pow is handicapped. You don't listen to guy's that know what they are talking about. Your reasoning for upgrading is redundant. If you want 5.7 buy SB and leave the real clocking to people that know what they are doing.
I am convinced you should buy a tape recorder and annoy yourself with your irrelevant oppinion not my thread
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to be honest man, there are many overclocking gains in terms of clock speeds, you just have to go subzero to see them.

If the UD7 will cost more than the X58A-OC then yes what he said makes sense.

different boards perform differently depending on the BIOS and how the board is designed.

above 0C you have no gains whatsoever getting a UD7 over your current UD5. Same with a X58A-USB3 there would be no difference. The X58A-OC shines when using extreme cooling, and that is what its designed for.

The info you gave me reaffirms what i was told about the final price,ha i can't wait till its released.

BTW the VRm has a HUGE impact on overclocking, no tech would know why.
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Well, looking over the design of the X58A-OC, it's designed to be insulated and ultra-cooled. For me, I got a UD7 on a deal and I'm not doing any extreme cooling, just water cooling.
     
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Yep. Won't make a significant difference on air cooling.
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I really drilled the tech with questions actually.
Because he kept insinuating the OC wasn´t that big of a deal anyway.
Then at the end I was getting a little harsh and annoyed by the fact that Gigabyte kept advertising for a revolutionary upgrade in X58 history etc etc.

I asked three very clear and aboslute questions.

1.)Is there a significant or at least noticable difference in a.)overclocking efficiency , b.)overclocking durability , c.)overclocking stability and d.)GPU performance fluctuation & peaking

He responded:Like already mentioned the OC is the creation,production and fully paterned innovation of hicookie.
Gigabyte only had a very slight interference with the board mostly only with some of the standard X58 Gigabyte measurements and materials of course only in affilition to hicookie´s standards.

The actual purpose of the board and ultimate agenda behind its creation was not so much the improvment and enhancment of performance and overclockability but rather the process of making it more conveniant for our customers to do so.
Hicookie always trys to stress this fact as far as possible to make people understand that this is not by any means an attempt to increase performance but rather increase the overclocking standards for the extreme enthusiasts.
GPU performance will be aided but not enhanced or exceeded.

2.)So this is not a revolutionairy step up in Gigabyte overclocking motherboard history?

No, like I mentioned earlier with this release we are trying to reach out and adress our more professional and detail orientated customer circle which appreciates and prefers certain aspects the majority does not.
And that is exactly the purpose of the board , we tryed to reduce the board of functions and featurers considered redundant by this community in order to provide them with more detailed and fitted features modified to their needs for them to be perfectly able to embrace their needs.

3.)So again, and please try to make it clear this time.
In the perspective of the average and professional overclocker, is their any difference or significance in overclocking ability/efficiency and over all overclocking standards in a direct comparsion of the UD7 and the OC Edition?
Also bare in mind to add benchmark results

Asked like that this question is very hard to answer.
I have already told you that in a direct comparison the overclocking efficiency of the OC would not show any advantages or alterations of any significance at all.
That is simply because the board wasn´t designed to do so rather than easing the overclocking process and making it more conveniant for the overclocking enthusiast.
So to make it absolutely clear no you will not be able to note any differences in performance or in your overclock between both boards at all.

4.)Then please stop advertising for this board in such a misleading manner?
I actually find it rather outrages to see so many Gigabyte announcments and press conferences in which they ensure their new X58 release to be the "worlds successor" seeing as in reality you just explained what it is really ment for.

Legally there are no issues with the company´s advertisment.

lol?
Tryed to squeeze everything out to give you an appropriate result.
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I'm planning on directly comparing them in a review I'm working on now, but it's not going to be a "this one scores better than that one at this benchmark" kinda review. It will be a this one has this feature/option and this one does not, this one it's easier to do this with while the other is more difficult, some new features on this one the other is lacking, ect.
    
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