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EDIT: I am now considering other cases


So, I'm building a brand new rig, and I decided to go for watercooling. I've been reading tutorials, watching videos, and checking out various parts, but I still have a truckload of unanswered questions.

Here's what I'm working with:

• Thermaltake Level 10 GT Case
• Intel Core i7 990x
• Asus Rampage III Extreme
• 6x 2GB Corsair Dominator GT
• 2x Nvidia GTX590s

Since my case doesn't have a lot of room for big rads, nor do I want to have external ones, I'd like to know what I should and shouldn't include in the loop.

I've already selected a few parts, based on reviews and looks, but I'm willing to swap them for others if need be.

I should also note that the budget is not a problem.

I'll sort out my questions well, so that it's easy for everyone to keep track of things. So, here we go:

• Case:

The case is a TT Level 10 GT. I know that there are cases which offer much better watercooling possibilities, but this is what I'm working with:



As you can see, it has enough room for a 240mm Rad on the top, a 120mm on the rear, and an additional 120mm rad can be installed on the bottom. If you think there is enough room for me to cram a bigger rad inside this case, feel free to speak your mind (maybe a 360 rad would fit vertically?) If not, those 3 rads are my only options.

• CPU Block:

The CPU is an 990x, and obviously, I'll be overclocking it. 4.5GHz, or more, depending on what temps I get.

The block I chose was the EK-Supreme Nickel/Plexi. I've read that it preforms amazingly well, and it looks pretty awesome too.


• GPU Block:

The twin GTX590s will undoubtedly generate a lot of heat, and that's what I'm most concerned about. I'd like to try and get nicer core clocks, but I'll have to test that out.

The blocks I'll be using are EK's FC590s plus the FC590 Backplate.


• Motherboard Block:

I'm not entirely sure if I need this block or not. In your opinion, will it just clog my loop, or will it have any beneficial effect? It might me worth noting that the L10 GT has a 20cm intake fan that can be pointed directly at the motherboard.

Regardless, the block I'm considering is EK's FB RE3


• RAM Block:

Same as the motherboard block, not sure if it is needed at all.

The block is EK's RAM Dominator

Also, I've noticed that they have two different types of blocks, with Acetal or Plexi tops. Is there any noticeable performance difference between the two, or is it just the looks?


• Reservoir:

I was going for a reservoir with separate loops, but from what I've read, it doesn't really matter. However, I can do 2 separate loops, if needed.

The EK-BAY Spin looks killer, and I prefer to have the reservoir on the drive bays rather than inside the case.


• Fittings:

The general-purpose fitting I chose was the EK-PSC 12mm. I have also chosen some tubing with appropriate ID and OD.

Also, there's something else I'd like to know. Should I buy a curved fitting for the CPU block? Or will two of these fit?


• Radiators:

I haven't decided on anything yet. I've considered multiple options, but I'd like to hear you out first. I want everything to be internal though.


• Pump:

No solid decision either. I take it that this will be the last thing to be decided upon, depending on which rads and how many blocks are used.


• Fans:

I have no idea how many fans I'll need, and like the rads and pump, I haven't decided on a specific model either.

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This is all I've got. What do you think? What should I change here, what can/can't/should/shouldn't I run through the loop?


I think that deciding upon what rads to use first is a good idea, but I'll leave it to you experienced ones


Cheers, and thanks a lot!!
Edited by xFyre - 5/1/11 at 7:14pm
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awesome
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Water cooling guide for noobs in Sig
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yuck case.

EK Supreme Nickel/Acetal or the gold version might perform a tiny bit better or have more bling. RAM cooling isn't really even necessary.

Do you care for noise?
If you do, get Scythe Gentle Typhoons with a XSPC RX radiator. If not, get 3000rpm Ultra Kazes with HWLabs GTX radiators.

As for a pump, I am not experienced with the $150+ pumps. However, if I had an unlimited budget, I would get two MCP35x's. You don't want a low head pressure pump like the MCP655 because you have a motherboard block and some other restrictive blocks in there, so either you get something in the DDC series, or some other company I have never heard of.

As for fittings, what you have is great, but the Bitspower Blackies have more bling and look like sex. You will get the ladies with the Bitspower compression fittings.
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Originally Posted by Juggalo23451 View Post
Water cooling guide for noobs in Sig
I have read through it already. The main problem here is how will I fit everything in my case, and what should and shouldn't run through the loop.
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I have read through it already. The main problem here is how will I fit everything in my case, and what should and shouldn't run through the loop.
You can't fit the engine of a MACK truck in the frame of a Beetle - your case just has severe limitations of what you can and can't get, and plus I doubt the air flow is any good at stock. You should be doubting whether you should do water in that system or not.

If your still persistent, check out the Case Modding subforum and post that you need more room. If your dremel-happy, I'm sure you'll find a way to satisfy your computer's temps.
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You can't fit the engine of a MACK truck in the frame of a Beetle - your case just has severe limitations of what you can and can't get, and plus I doubt the air flow is any good at stock. You should be doubting whether you should do water in that system or not.

If your still persistent, check out the Case Modding subforum and post that you need more room. If your dremel-happy, I'm sure you'll find a way to satisfy your computer's temps.
I'm starting to think that getting the level 10 isn't such a good idea after all.

Let's change things up a little then. What would be the best case ever for watercooling? No size or budget restraints.
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I'm starting to think that getting the level 10 isn't such a good idea after all.

Let's change things up a little then. What would be the best case ever for watercooling? No size or budget restraints.
CASE LABS FOOL! http://www.overclock.net/case-labs/9...mparisons.html

Err I meant to say, one of the cases in the Case Labs lineup. If you want ultimate ridiculousness go with the TX10. Lower down the chain would be a TH10 (like the one Juggalo is using) then an MH10 (like the one in my sig), then an M10, then an M8 (those you can find links to in the Case Labs owners club link) for the smallest of the bunch- all capable watercooling beasts.

Quote:
MAGNUM M8
Base Price: $359.95
Size: 15"W x 19.06"H x 20.06"D (381mm x 484mm x 510mm
PCI Slots: 8
Form Factor: ATX/EATX to 10.75”(273mm)
Max Radiator Size: 120.3
Flex-Bays (5.25”): 10
HDD Capacity: 12 (24 using Flex-Bays)
Weight: 21 lbs.

MAGNUM M10
Base Price: $379.95
Size: 15"W x 19.06"H x 20.06"D (381mm x 484mm x 510mm)
PCI Slots: 10
Form Factor: XL-ATX
Max Radiator Size: 120.3 (Note: Loses one radiator position over MB)
Flex-Bays (5.25”): 10
HDD Capacity: 12 (24 using Flex-Bays)
Weight: 21 lbs.

MAGNUM T10
Base Price: $439.95
Size: 15"W x 25.06"H x 20.06"D (381mm x 637mm x 510mm)
PCI Slots: 10
Form Factor: XL-ATX
Max Radiator Size: 120.3
Flex-Bays (5.25”): 13
HDD Capacity: 16 (32 using Flex-Bays)
Weight: TBA

MAGNUM MH10
Base Price: $439.95
Size: 15"W x 19.06"H x 26.06"D (381mm x 484mm x 662mm)
PCI Slots: 10
Form Factor: HPTX (SR-2)
Max Radiator Size: 120.4
Flex-Bays (5.25”): 10
HDD Capacity: 12 (24 using Flex-Bays)
Weight: TBA

MAGNUM TH10
Base Price: $479.95
Size: 15"W x 25.06"H x 26.06"D (381mm x 637mm x 662mm)
PCI Slots: 10
Form Factor: HPTX (SR-2)
Max Radiator Size: 120.4
Flex-Bays (5.25”): 13
HDD Capacity: 16 (32 using Flex-Bays)
Weight: TBA

MAGNUM TX10 Extreme Edition (Under Development)
Base Price: $650 (est)
Size: 20.0"W x 36.0"H x 30.0"D (508mm x 914mm x 762mm)
PCI Slots: 10
Form Factor: HPTX (SR-2) Dual MB Option / Horizontal MB Option
Max Radiator Size: 140.4
Flex-Bays (5.25”): 36
HDD Capacity: 104 (Theoretical)
Weight: TBA
    
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Case Labs currently has, IMO, the absolute best case for water cooling. (find them here http://www.overclock.net/case-labs/) The only down side is that they are on the large side. However, that means you can put all kinds of rads and res in there and keep them all internal.

You have top of the line parts, but to water cool them, that case was a poor choice. It looks kind of cool, but as you notice, very tight.

I am a bit of an EK fan boy so I love most of your choices there. However, unless you are just going for looks, putting a block on your mobo or ram will do almost nothing for you and add restriction to your loop. The only real benefit is that it might make your mobo last longer but by then you will probably have a new mobo with the new 80 core cpu that Intel comes out with . So save the hassle, the expense, and the flow restriction. I hit 4.5Ghz on my i7 870 and run it at 4.2 all the time with no mobo or ram blocks. If you think they look cool, go for it but don't do it for performance.

Also, you didn't mention if you were trying to go as silent as possible? If so, then get some Gentle Typhoon -15's and use that massive case to run a couple 360's or if you go with the big case, couple 480 rads. Juggalo is doing a build like this now with two 590's in a custom white case labs case.

I personally like the XSPC RX series but others here like the Black Ice rads.
Edited by RatDog - 5/1/11 at 7:39pm
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Those cases look awesome... I live in Portugal though, so I am assuming that getting my hands on one of those would be impossible.


However, I am also considering an external radiator rack. Maybe a black plexi build wouldn't look too bad, and would definitely provide the cooling power I need. I could also keep the L10 case.


As for noise, I don't mind it much, since I will be using a headset. I will still have a decent fan controller, so I can make the fans quieter when I'm not gaming.
Edited by xFyre - 5/1/11 at 7:38pm
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