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Best TRUE 120hz monitor for the price?

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I'm quite honestly lazy to do an entire day of researching, but I come with a few simple questions to OCN's monitor gurus.

1) Are there any true 120hz 1920x1200p monitors?
2) Any word on a true 120hz IPS monitor of any size?
3) Could you guys possibly list the best 120hz monitors that have both a low price and performance? I.E. Minimal back light bleeding and low input lag mainly.

Please note that I come from CRT land and I am extremely picky about input lag. The only reason I am considering picking up a newer 120hz monitor is due to the fact that I don't really play on sub HD resolutions anymore and have become a casual gamer.
Edited by Skylit - 5/10/11 at 10:41am
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1: unlikely
2: http://3dvision-blog.com/mitsubishi-...ith-ips-panel/
3: my friend just got a new acer 120hz 27" with built in 3d vision emitter and hdmi 1.4 for no pc devices, one of the best monitors about atm afaik
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1: unlikely
2: http://3dvision-blog.com/mitsubishi-...ith-ips-panel/
3: my friend just got a new acer 120hz 27" with built in 3d vision emitter and hdmi 1.4 for no pc devices, one of the best monitors about atm afaik
that IPS monitor uses interpolation, so not really true 1080p 120Hz
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1: unlikely
2: http://3dvision-blog.com/mitsubishi-...ith-ips-panel/
3: my friend just got a new acer 120hz 27" with built in 3d vision emitter and hdmi 1.4 for no pc devices, one of the best monitors about atm afaik
Definitely not 120hz on that mitsu.

Problem with all the new 3D monitors from samsung and other manufacturers is that they are giving up true 120HZ for cheap 3D.

According to that Acer 120hz it wont do 120hz in 2D, only 3D... thats retarded.
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Okay, so I'll guess we'll ignore 1) and 2) and go straight into 3).


Also why aren't companies utilizing display port on these high hz LCDs? It looks way better than a dual DVI Link on paper.
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Benq XL2410T, or get the Asus 27" 120hz. Both are true 120hz. The benq has the best blacks but the Asus has a semi-glossy screen that makes the colors pop. Take your pick, both are good. The BenQ is also LED which does make a difference. It's also possibly one of the best TN panels out there.
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@ Above, I don't really think LED makes a beneficial difference and as far as I'm aware that BenQ has some serious back light bleeding.


Why oh why isn't there a true 120hz IPS panel?


Bump.
Edited by Skylit - 5/10/11 at 10:46am
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benq have excessive backligh bleeding and the panel quality is not very good.
350€ is excessive, LG and Asus are the betters.
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@ Above, I don't really think LED makes a beneficial difference and as far as I'm aware that BenQ has some serious back light bleeding.


Why oh why isn't there a true 120hz IPS panel?


Bump.
Because IPS is too slow, even TN is too slow to have all of its pixel state transitions be faster than the 8.333ms a 120Hz refresh rate requires.

We simply cannot have an uncompromising monitor until a better panel technology comes out. Until then you need to run more than one monitor if you want the best of both worlds.
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Because IPS is too slow, even TN is too slow to have all of its pixel state transitions be faster than the 8.333ms a 120Hz refresh rate requires.

We simply cannot have an uncompromising monitor until a better panel technology comes out. Until then you need to run more than one monitor if you want the best of both worlds.
bollocks. It's more of the CCFL backlight. Also there's little demand for it nor is there a practical need for it. 120Hz refers to the flickering rate of the backlight.
the backlight has no correlation to input lag, which counts more than anything for gaming.



The Dell U2311H, HP ZR24W are both IPS and have better input lag than the 120Hz Samsung SM2233RZ.

120Hz only has it's advantages in a slimmer frame (as LED backlights use up less space than CCFL backlights), uses less power and more environmentally friendly (CCFL lights contain mercury). That and it eliminates / minimises screen tearing, which is why people perceive 120Hz monitors as 'smoother'. Your eyes are limited to 60Hz i.e. your eyes do not notice the difference between a flickering light and the illusion of a constant lightstream at 50-60Hz and thus why display devices and display resolutions are design around this.

http://human-factors.arc.nasa.gov/te...isibility.html

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Another critical window of visibility exists in the time domain. As an illustration, most fluorescent lamps produce light whose intensity flickers at 100 to 120 Hz (cycles/sec), yet we do not see the flicker and perceive a steady illumination. This is because the eye cannot sense variations that occur at a frequency higher than about 60 Hz (the “flicker fusion frequency”). Thus we have a window of visibility in the domain of temporal frequency that extends from 0 to 60 Hz. This limit also governs the design of video displays, that are typically refreshed at a rate of 50 or 60 Hz.
All you need to know about LED backlight tech is here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles...cklighting.htm

Some more measurements:



and here: http://www.behardware.com/articles/6...-crts-yes.html

but to be honest, anything below 20ms is fine with ~10ms and below being ideal.
Edited by chinesekiwi - 5/10/11 at 9:09pm
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