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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post
bollocks. It's more of the CCFL backlight. Also there's little demand for it nor is there a practical need for it. 120Hz refers to the flickering rate of the backlight.
the backlight has no correlation to input lag, which counts more than anything for gaming.

The Dell U2311H, HP ZR24W are both IPS and have better input lag than the 120Hz Samsung SM2233RZ.
Input lag has nothing to do with the discussion here, nor does 120Hz refer to the flickering of the backlight. 120Hz (in a monitor) implies that it can accept 120 inputs per second to send to the screen to be displayed. Input lag is the delay from the time input is sent by the computer to the time it is actually displayed on the screen. Pixel response times ARE important here because they can't actually switch as fast as 120 times per second as is required (or ideal really) for proper 120Hz input. Input lag just means your monitor is running slightly behind what is actually happening, which has no bearing on how many times it receives that input per second. Let's say we're talking about a single pixel here: it's on a 120Hz input, and therefore has to be able to switch itself from say, light red to dark blue. Unfortunately, it takes the pixel about 12 milliseconds to make this transition - thanks to the fact that the monitor refreshes itself every 8.33ms, meaning that the pixel can't properly convert to the required color within the time allotted. Input lag would be something else entirely - using the same situation, this just means that instead of the pixel receiving the order to change color after say, 3ms after the order was put in (on a fast monitor), it doesn't receive it until 10ms after (slower monitor). It will still take the same amount of time to make the transition once it gets the order, it's just the order that takes longer to get there.

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120Hz only has it's advantages in a slimmer frame (as LED backlights use up less space than CCFL backlights), uses less power and more environmentally friendly (CCFL lights contain mercury). That and it eliminates / minimises screen tearing, which is why people perceive 120Hz monitors as 'smoother'. Your eyes are limited to 60Hz i.e. your eyes do not notice the difference between a flickering light and the illusion of a constant lightstream at 50-60Hz and thus why display devices and display resolutions are design around this.
Contradict yourself much?
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post #12 of 25
The best priced one that's also a decent performer is the LG W2363D. It's over a €100 cheaper than the BenQ at the moment.

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3: my friend just got a new acer 120hz 27" with built in 3d vision emitter and hdmi 1.4 for no pc devices, one of the best monitors about atm afaik
Haven't really looked into Acer's new, but if it's anything like their 24'' 120hz, it's crap.

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The BenQ is also LED which does make a difference. It's also possibly one of the best TN panels out there.
The XL2410T is overrated.
Edited by Stance - 5/11/11 at 4:41am
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The only true 120Hz+ monitors are CRTs. Get yourself a Sony FW900 (up to 160Hz even).
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The BenQ after Rev. 005, the Alienware when it's on sale or the Asus 24" if you want glossy.
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Input lag has nothing to do with the discussion here, nor does 120Hz refer to the flickering of the backlight. 120Hz (in a monitor) implies that it can accept 120 inputs per second to send to the screen to be displayed. Input lag is the delay from the time input is sent by the computer to the time it is actually displayed on the screen. Pixel response times ARE important here because they can't actually switch as fast as 120 times per second as is required (or ideal really) for proper 120Hz input. Input lag just means your monitor is running slightly behind what is actually happening, which has no bearing on how many times it receives that input per second. Let's say we're talking about a single pixel here: it's on a 120Hz input, and therefore has to be able to switch itself from say, light red to dark blue. Unfortunately, it takes the pixel about 12 milliseconds to make this transition - thanks to the fact that the monitor refreshes itself every 8.33ms, meaning that the pixel can't properly convert to the required color within the time allotted. Input lag would be something else entirely - using the same situation, this just means that instead of the pixel receiving the order to change color after say, 3ms after the order was put in (on a fast monitor), it doesn't receive it until 10ms after (slower monitor). It will still take the same amount of time to make the transition once it gets the order, it's just the order that takes longer to get there.
However your eyes takes 10ms to even register a difference so response times below this are faster than your eyes can resister it at. Input lag therefore more important in that regard when it comes to monitor lag.

You should read this: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mon...ameters_3.html
post #16 of 25
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The only true 120Hz+ monitors are CRTs. Get yourself a Sony FW900 (up to 160Hz even).
it's max 85Hz AFAIK however since it's a CRT, no input lag.
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it's max 85Hz AFAIK however since it's a CRT, no input lag.
Pretty sure itll do like 160hz at 800x600.

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The only true 120Hz+ monitors are CRTs. Get yourself a Sony FW900 (up to 160Hz even).
I have a F520 that does 170hz at a larger 4:3 resolution than the FW900 at 160hz.

I'm basically looking for a decent non interpolated 120hz panel that will consume less power and space that my current setup. (running a Samsung XL2270 + GDM-F520 on the side for competitive play).

I already know an LCD isn't as great as a CRT, but I would like to give one a go for the hell of it.

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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post
it's max 85Hz AFAIK however since it's a CRT, no input lag.
FW900 does 160hz @ 800x600 without any problems/retrace. Not the best Monitor Hz wise, but it's pretty decent for overall resolution,color, etc.


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The best priced one that's also a decent performer is the LG W2363D. It's over a €100 cheaper than the BenQ at the moment.
Currently looking at the LG and Asus VG236HE.
Edited by Skylit - 5/11/11 at 7:08pm
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I have a F520 that does 170hz at a larger 4:3 resolution than the FW900 at 160hz.

I'm basically looking for a decent non interpolated 120hz panel that will consume less power and space that my current setup. (running a Samsung XL2270 + GDM-F520 on the side for competitive play).

I already know an LCD isn't as great as a CRT, but I would like to give one a go for the hell of it.
Ok, fair enough


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FW900 does 160hz @ 800x600 without any problems/retrace. Not the best Monitor Hz wise, but it's pretty decent for overall resolution,color, etc.
Yep, it's because the deflection angle is slightly larger than with 4:3 tubes, and to make it any faster they'd either need to a) move the guns further back to decrease the angle, making it take up even more space, or b) increase the output of the guns so that the screen doesn't get too dark, decreasing their lifespan. And, of course, modify the electronics accordingly. I think it's a good compromise to get 16:10 in a CRT
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However your eyes takes 10ms to even register a difference so response times below this are faster than your eyes can resister it at. Input lag therefore more important in that regard when it comes to monitor lag.

You should read this: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mon...ameters_3.html
12ms is theoretical. Last I checked the actual pixel response charts, in an extreme scenario IPS panels took over 20ms to for a worst-case transition.

Bottom line is that input lag isn't a factor here, it's mainly pixel response time that is an issue.
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