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- Is there any difference, price aside (temp, duration, getting water in loop dirty) between the copper and the nickel EK-Supreme HF? I've heard copper blocks tend to get rusty when coupled with aluminum, but copper is better than nickel in heat transfering (4.01 W/cmK vs 0.907 W/cmK) Which is the best overall?

- Are there any GPU blocks for a GTS 450's? I'm not looking for a full block, tho that'd be nice to have. I'd need RAM heatsinks tho, but i could search for those.

- I plan to watercool my video cards and the CPU on my sigrig, nothing too extreme. I also plan to buy a CM 690 II Advanced case to house it all. Specs of the case say that you can fit 240mm rads in this case. Would i be fine with a 240mm rad, or would i have to mod the case/put the rad outside if i need a bigger one? or is there anyway to plug 2 rads to one loop? Preferibly i'd like to have it all on the same case if possible.

- Is it that harmful if i use colored coolant? I want to use a red coolant to match my case's color scheme (red-black, will also mod my PSU to have UV LED's instead of the blue ones it has along with adding a couple UV LEDs here and there). I've been reading some articles and seems like the best coolant is distilled water, with a little bit of additives. So, should i use red tubing if red coolant is a no-go?

- I've been checking the items i'd need, and i have a rough list of what to buy:

CPU: EK-Supreme HF (to be decided if i get copper or nickel)
GPU: ?
Rad: XSPC RS240 (or should i go with the double width RX? I want fans to be silent)
Fans: 2x Scythe Gentle Typhoons
Pump: Swiftech MCP350
Reservoir: Swiftech MCRES Micro Rev2 Reservoir
Tubing: 1/4'' Clear PVC tubing
Fittings: Metal fittings w/clamps, Silver Coil
Coolant: AT Protect UV Red 1000ml

Are these things good?
Edited by Starbomba - 5/2/11 at 12:32pm
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Hi, your situation sounds simular to my last build! i always go with nickel plated blocks because i hate the way copper looks, even if its nice and polished it still will get tarnished adventually. the nickel keeps the surface smoother and more pretected from erosion, the nickel plating is so thin it barely effects the temerature (i dont think it would even be noticable by 1 degree c in most cases)

as your radiator, if your cooling a cpu and gpu i would recomend a decent 360mm radiator atleast 2 smaller radiators will just be expensive and awkward to set up. i use a 480mm radiator on my mainboard, cpu and gpu a and my temps on everything is about 40c. most pumps can handle 2 radiators and many componants being cooled so you wouldnt need a double loop.

as for the case you selected, it would be interesting to try watercooling with it ive seen a few done before but most of the temps arent effected by what or how many radiators you use, its normally because of the placement. you can mod that case to fit a bigger radiator or stick one on top.

best way to figure out a loop is to draw it up first, you should try it out on msn paint or somthing!
post #3 of 9
performance/temp: copper vs nickel plated copper = 1 foot vs 12 inches
post #4 of 9
temps at this point is negligible.

nickel will help the finish from being tarnished.

just get nickel

double the rs to an RX for silence.

Dont need coolant. Get color tubing if u want color. Use distilled water. some kill coil or pt nuke.
    
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just thaught id add... dont use blood red dye bombs! when i used coloured coolant or used dye bombs in a loop it stained my tubes pink. i have had new tubes 3 times and they still turn pink because if the dye left in my radiator. -.-
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So, nickel it is. Damn, i do love how copper looks, but yea, it gets ugly too quick.

But, is nickel as reactive with aluminum as copper is? I don't want to use too many additives to keep the water as pure as possible (maybe just a silver coil or two to kill fungi and the like) nor i want my aluminum parts to get ugly in a year or less, since i planned to use aluminum fittings. Also, haven't truly got the time to flush the loop more than maybe twice a year, so trying to keep it as clean as possible.

I'll be getting the case before starting to get a full loop (very satisfied with my H50, but my cards are a tad noisy for my liking... and yea, i wanna see if i can lower the temps of my CPU to see if i can OC it more ) and i'll see if i can somehow fit the 360mm rad. The case has 2-120mm fan openings at the bottom and at the top, so i could place the rad down in intake position, reservoir like at the middle, and pump at the... bottom? Also, as i get the case i'll draw the loop, or at least how i think i'll be placing it, as idk how my stuff will fit inside that, and need to plan accordingly. But what about that double-width radiator? My i3+450's combo won't generate as much heat as an i7+480's (managing 75c on CPU and 80c on cards, all at full load, but i can lower temps on CPU lowering volts a bit, and cards are so hot because the HS is single-slot on both). Also, i wanna mod my H50, i do feel like tinkering with it

Well, there goes my red coolant idea, gotta find red tubes then.

I've found the MCW82 Universal GPU waterblock for my GPU's. Agreed, it will not be as worthwile as a better card (hell, i paid like $100 each for my video cards and the block itself is like more than half that), so i might actually get a couple 570-580's, get em single-slot and water those. Plus, i do know GTS 450's are not cards to write home about, but after a single 9400 GT, they're awesome. I might water one as the fan of one is blocked by my sound card and it can get to 90c at some points while folding, plus i'll keep one as a dedicated physx/folding card if i ever reupgrade (when 8-core Ivy comes out).

Also, what about my other stuff? After all these tips, i've decided for this, but i haven't read anything on the pump and res, tho i do know they're popular.

CPU: EK-Supreme HF Nickel
GPU: Still deciding if to water these
Rad: XSPC RX240
Fans: 2x Scythe Gentle Typhoons
Pump: Swiftech MCP350
Reservoir: Swiftech MCRES Micro Rev2 Reservoir
Tubing: 1/4'' Red tubing
Fittings: Metal fittings w/clamps, Silver Coil
Coolant: Distilled water
Edited by Starbomba - 5/2/11 at 5:26pm
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post #7 of 9
Dont forget the pumptop

u can get the xspc restop and take the swiftech res out of the plan
    
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First off, why are you concerned over the mix of aluminum? Just don't get aluminum blocks/fittings/etc. Stay away from it altogether. Everything should be made of brass or copper and can be nickel plated. If you go aluminum expect to clean out your loop quite often.

Silver kill coil and PTNuke will pretty much kill off most anything in there, and your maintenance of draining/cleaning/filling will be reduced drastically.
post #9 of 9
ive seen alot of reserviours that fit onto that pump like tubes, tops or bay reserviours.
when it comes to things like preping your layout you just gotta go with what you think will look and work bestm you may find if the loop is simple and small enough you might not need a res just a t-line and fillport. all the other parts look good to me.
careful you dont get the wrong sized tubes and nozzles though, i recently sent some back because there are too many confusing sizes out now.
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