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Hey.
Been reading the posts and topics here for a while now, and well I still got a few questions.
First of all, I'm always on a budged, and last time I was checking to get water cooling, there weren't any good/decent kits that performed even okay, and building custom was just ridiculously expensive.

Now however, I've noticed that there are many kits available, the XSPC kits in particular have caught my eye.
Here are my questions, that aren't really answered anywhere in the stickies.

1.) How much am I looking at if I want a water cooling system that can cool an overclocked CPU and 2xGPUs well. Better than air (lower load temperatures) obviously since other wise there is no point in getting it in the first place.
For now, I only need CPU cooling, but I plan on getting a GPU water block too later, assuming I get water cooling at all. I want a system that is able to support the demands of both CPU and GPU (preferably 2 GPUs).
2.) Are the kits any good, or should I start browsing around to build a custom set?
3.) How long will a water cooling system last? If I'm already investing much money on a water cooling system, I'd also expect it to last for longer than air cooling.
4.) The GPU specific water blocks seem to be very expensive, and mostly only fit one GPU. Will a generic GPU water block that only cools the chip itself be sufficient cooling to overclock a GPU without damaging memory or something else?

I've looked at kits and custom parts, but all this gibberish means nothing to me, e.g. what is the difference between a RX and RS XSPC radiator? (Except for the price obviously for all you funny guys).

I'd greatly appreciate if someone could provide me with some info and personal experience.
At the moment I have 8 case fans and a huge CPU cooler that doesn't really perform that well in my opinion, and my GPU sound like a vacuum cleaner when playing games. My system in general is a little loud (compared to my old system with only 2 case fans), and I plan on replacing all my case fans with silent fans at some point.
Also, my case is Antec 1200, any comments on that? As far as I know you can only install a 240mm radiator on the back (outside), but it could be push/pull cooled.

So, do you think it's worth it to get a water cooling system that can fill my needs? What price tag am I looking for.
Note that I'm not a super duper over clocker who needs to have the best gear, I just want that at least my CPU and GPU can be water cooled, a second GPU would be a plus since at some point I might go crossfire.

Regards,
Naike
Edited by naikee - 5/2/11 at 12:42pm
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[quote=naikee;13355345]Hey.
Been reading the posts and topics here for a while now, and well I still got a few questions.
First of all, I'm always on a budged, and last time I was checking to get water cooling, there weren't any good/decent kits that performed even okay, and building custom was just ridiculously expensive.

Now however, I've noticed that there are many kits available, the XSPC kits in particular have caught my eye.
Here are my questions, that aren't really answered anywhere in the stickies.

1.) How much am I looking at if I want a water cooling system that can cool an overclocked CPU and 2xGPUs that outperform sufficient air cooling system. (Lower load temperatures)
For now, I only need CPU cooling, but I plan on getting a GPU water block too later, assuming I get water cooling at all. I want a system that is able to support the demands of both CPU and GPU (preferably 2 GPUs).
Yo're going to be looking at around $500+, for 2 gpu blocks , cpu block, pump,fans, radiator, reservoir, and some tubing, and other tubing accessories.
2.) Are the kits any good, or should I start browsing around to build a custom set?
Custom set is the way to go
3.) How long will a water cooling system last? If I'm already investing much money on a water cooling system, I'd also expect it to last for longer than air cooling.
you need to maintain it, you can't just set it up and walk away...it should last forever if you take care of it. change out the fluids, make sure no algae build up etc..
4.) The GPU specific water blocks seem to be very expensive, and mostly only fit one GPU. Will a generic GPU water block that only cools the chip itself be sufficient cooling to overclock a GPU without damaging memory or something else?
(i wouldn't cheap out on a gpu block.)
I've looked at kits and custom parts, but all this gibberish means nothing to me, e.g. what is the difference between a RX and RS XSPC radiator? (Except for the price obviously for all you funny guys).
one has better airflow one doesn't
Edited by Cacophony - 5/2/11 at 12:58pm
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There's nothing wrong with starting off with one of the kits (like the RS/RX 240/360, etc). You will learn a lot with it, but it will take some effort to expand the loop to include the GPU(s).

If you HAVE to have the GPU in the loop, then I suppose custom would be better. You would need a strong pump to add a block to the XSPC kit, so you might as well rebuild at that point.
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Originally Posted by naikee View Post
1.) How much am I looking at if I want a water cooling system that can cool an overclocked CPU and 2xGPUs well. Better than air (lower load temperatures) obviously since other wise there is no point in getting it in the first place.
For now, I only need CPU cooling, but I plan on getting a GPU water block too later, assuming I get water cooling at all. I want a system that is able to support the demands of both CPU and GPU (preferably 2 GPUs).
The RX360 kit will likely be able to comfortably support these, depending on your GPU and overclocks. You can watercool the CPU now and add blocks later, and the price is right. Just make sure to get the RX over the RS, if you can fit the radiator.

Full cover waterblocks will be about $100 each, and universal will probably be around $60 each plus a few $$ for the heatsinks.

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2.) Are the kits any good, or should I start browsing around to build a custom set?
the XSPC Rasa 750 kits are fantastic and many people use them with great results. Just change out the tubing (perfect time to add color without using icky UV fluids that may gunk up your water blocks down the road or stain them).

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3.) How long will a water cooling system last? If I'm already investing much money on a water cooling system, I'd also expect it to last for longer than air cooling.
It lasts as long as you're willing to upgrade blocks when newer sockets come out. Pumps have an industrial use rating for 60,000 hours, so about 4 years of continuous use. I don't leave my computer on 24/7, so I would expect it to last longer in my case, but each person's setup is different.

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4.) The GPU specific water blocks seem to be very expensive, and mostly only fit one GPU. Will a generic GPU water block that only cools the chip itself be sufficient cooling to overclock a GPU without damaging memory or something else?
Yes, it will cool the GPU ONLY very well. You will need ram-sinks to cool your shaders/Vram. Anything that was covered by a thermal pad and stock cooling will REQUIRE a new cooling solution, overclocking or not. GPU only blocks sometimes can be used across multiple generations, it depends on whether your card is reference design or not, or the setup of the card.

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I've looked at kits and custom parts, but all this gibberish means nothing to me, e.g. what is the difference between a RX and RS XSPC radiator? (Except for the price obviously for all you funny guys).
RX has denser fins (and is thicker, check the dimensions on their site), so it can dissipate more heat with more fan power. RS has less dense fins, so it can operate at full efficiency with lower RPM fans, but overall dissipates less heat than an RX radiator, but is also more thin, so it's easier to install in some situations. Check out here to look at different radiators and their temps and whatnot.

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I'd greatly appreciate if someone could provide me with some info and personal experience.
At the moment I have 8 case fans and a huge CPU cooler that doesn't really perform that well in my opinion, and my GPU sound like a vacuum cleaner when playing games. My system in general is a little loud (compared to my old system with only 2 case fans), and I plan on replacing all my case fans with silent fans at some point.
Also, my case is Antec 1200, any comments on that? As far as I know you can only install a 240mm radiator on the back (outside), but it could be push/pull cooled.

So, do you think it's worth it to get a water cooling system that can fill my needs? What price tag am I looking for.
Note that I'm not a super duper over clocker who needs to have the best gear, I just want that at least my CPU and GPU can be water cooled, a second GPU would be a plus since at some point I might go crossfire.

Regards,
Naike
I went watercooling (again) because I hated the sound of the fan from my GPU, and might as well go the full 9 yards if you're bothering at all, so I've got GPU and CPU cooled. I also am using an automatic fan controller for the fans on my radiator, so it silences my fans unless the extra power is needed. You might want to try that for the time being, since it's only like $30, and operates off of your mobo's PWM port (if it has one). Check it out, the Sunbeamtech Rheosmart 6

I would browse the forum some more and see what people are doing for their Antec 1200 cases.. I'm sure someone has done it, it just takes some browsing and searching (use the search function and look for Antec 1200, should be easy to find some).

Best of luck!
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I'm gonna edit this a lot lol, but to start answering the questions:

1.) How much am I looking at if I want a water cooling system that can cool an overclocked CPU and 2xGPUs well. Better than air (lower load temperatures) obviously since other wise there is no point in getting it in the first place.
For now, I only need CPU cooling, but I plan on getting a GPU water block too later, assuming I get water cooling at all. I want a system that is able to support the demands of both CPU and GPU (preferably 2 GPUs).

If you want to add GPUs in, personally I wouldn't go for a rasa kit, it's the cheaper option, and you will almost certainly want to replace the pump.


2.) Are the kits any good, or should I start browsing around to build a custom set?

A custom set isn't a problem, while the rasa kits are fine, they have limits and beyond those limits, it starts to show imo, I think for 2 GPU you will want say, 5+ fans worth of rad space, so a 360 + a 240, + the 2 GPU blocks. That's asking a lot of the Rasa pump and I'll be honest, it's pretty noisy. I've been trying to make mine quiet, but it hasn't worked.


3.) How long will a water cooling system last? If I'm already investing much money on a water cooling system, I'd also expect it to last for longer than air cooling.

My old pump (the only bit that can really break), which still works perfectly, has been thrown off the roof of a car, been under a truck and been through 3 different computer systems over 4 years and it's still fine (its a Laing DCC-1plus T by the way)

4.) The GPU specific water blocks seem to be very expensive, and mostly only fit one GPU. Will a generic GPU water block that only cools the chip itself be sufficient cooling to overclock a GPU without damaging memory or something else?

I would go for a full cover block, you do need to cool the RAM and such on cards and the smaller blocks are only really good for the smaller cards imo



The difference in XSPC rads is, RX are full radiators, RS are low profile versions designed for smaller environments where the RX may not fit. The RX outperforms it in almost all circumstances.

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I always get something that lasts.
That's why I'm a bit skeptical about the kits, I don't want to get one now for 200€ to find out that in 1-2 years I'm going to need a new pump and blocks because they aren't sufficient anymore or something.
It's just who I am, I like future proofing, if you can speak of that in water cooling terms.
Anyway, is there anything in such a kit like that XSPC RX240 that I could use in say 1-2 years for a loop that would contain CPU and 2 GPUs all overclocked?
I'll read your edits crabid.
Meanwhile I'll search for Antec 1200 threads..
I think I could only mount a 240mm radiator at the back, as the back only has 2x120mm exhaust fans, and the top has one big 200mm fan.

Edited by naikee - 5/2/11 at 1:11pm
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I am also looking into getting a watercooling system and took a fancy to this kit. I was just wondering what kind of performance increase can be seem with watercooling? I currently get 50c on full load, could this be taken down to 45c or lower?.

Sorry if it seems like I am piggy backing this thread but I think its better than me creating a whole new one for this one simple question.
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Have you look at this kit

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=26994

ok the rad is only 240 but it has a decent pump and block in it, which will allow you to add a gpu block and another rad down the line.

This will give you time to learn about water cooling and have fun playing around with it.
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I am also looking into getting a watercooling system and took a fancy to this kit. I was just wondering what kind of performance increase can be seem with watercooling? I currently get 50c on full load, could this be taken down to 45c or lower?.

Sorry if it seems like I am piggy backing this thread but I think its better than me creating a whole new one for this one simple question.
for a little bit more i would get this

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/p/Sw...-Kit_1772.html

Its a good place to get wc bits in the UK.

Same kit as I have posted earlier just a UK link.
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With a little modding on the Antec 1200, I could fit in a 360mm Rad in the font and a 240mm (even 360mm but then it's sticking out of the top) at the back.
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=169397
Found the same here: http://www.overclock.net/computer-ca...r-cooling.html

What are the performance differences between the water blocks?
I figured, if having more parts connected to one loop only requires a good pump, I might as well get a good pump since they last for long, a good rad for CPU (and maybe 1 GPU), and if I need more later I can just grab another rad and I don't need to worry about the pump.

So basically, save in the water blocks, bad idea?
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