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Makers of e-readers like the Amazon Kindle DX have some work to do before the devices replace textbooks at universities, according to findings from a long-term study conducted at seven U.S. colleges.

"There is no e-reader that supports what we found these students doing," study co-author Alex Thayer, a UW doctoral student in Human Centered Design and Engineering said, according to a report on the study published Monday by the University of Washington's Office of News and Information.

"It remains to be seen how to design one. It's a great space to get into, there's a lot of opportunity."

Researchers at the University of Washington said that seven months into the study, less than 40 percent of the 39 first-year graduate students they monitored were regularly doing their academic reading using the Kindle DX—the e-reader used for the UW study.
To those who believe eReaders will eventually dominate education.

eReaders are nice, but there is no way it can be efficiently implemented in large quanities like for education.

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They have a valid point, but the cognitive mapping issues can be easily addressed.

When I was taking my databases course I had a digital version of the textbook, and I could remember where a section was just from the position of the scroll bar.

The real issue is how the pages are displayed. The Kindle has a low-res greyscale screen with a terrible refresh rate.

With the right software and something like an Eee Pad Transformer the numbers would go way up.
    
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As a full time student who uses an e-reader on a daily basis, I can tell you right now that 90% of the issue holding ereaders back is the software. the last 10% is the slowness of e-ink to "turn pages" and its lack of color.

Color e-ink is being worked on and there are alternatives such as high efficiency devices with TFT panels. The speed of e-ink is just a hair too slow for typical classroom use - much of the page turning delay comes from poor software and weak processors, especially when working with large PDF documents. With a little more work on the e-ink panels and a serious overhaul of the software and processors, this shouldn't be any issue... besides there are always TFT panels. Never mind oleds becoming viable panels for such devices.

If anyone tries to make a claim that there is an issue beyond this, which cannot be easily overcome if manufacturers were to get serious about it, they are just lazy and afraid of change.

PS - cost is not a legitimate issue. A semester of eBooks vs hard cover paper books will pay for the reader - its all savings from there on out.
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Can you imagine, even after overcoming those software limitations, widespread implementation of eBooks across an entire campus?

The biggest issue is still cost.

Not only do you need to pay $x for your eReader itself, but you also need to pay $y for all your e-textbooks. And that's just the cost on your part--not to mention the cost of maintaining the devices on a school-wide level by administration.
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I guarantee the price of the e-book would be no different than the printed version. These textbook companies are a bunch of crooks, who pay off school administrators to implement a structure in which textbooks are replaced every year.

The reality is math hasn't changed in 100 years. There need not be a new version of a math book every year.

Basic science doesn't change on a yearly basis, there is no need for revised editions.

English hasn't changed in 100 years, there is no need for revised english books.

Bottom line is there should be rules set in place that keep a certain edition of a book in circulation for no less than 6 years. Having new editions of textbooks every year is ridiculous and should be illegal, it takes advantage of students and is more or less extortion. There is also no reason that books should cost $80 or more.
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To those who believe eReaders will eventually dominate education.

eReaders are nice, but there is no way it can be efficiently implemented in large quanities like for education.

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They said that about almost everything at one time.
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I guarantee the price of the e-book would be no different than the printed version. These textbook companies are a bunch of crooks, who pay off school administrators to implement a structure in which textbooks are replaced every year.

The reality is math hasn't changed in 100 years. There need not be a new version of a math book every year.

Basic science doesn't change on a yearly basis, there is no need for revised editions.

English hasn't changed in 100 years, there is no need for revised english books.

Bottom line is there should be rules set in place that keep a certain edition of a book in circulation for no less than 6 years. Having new editions of textbooks every year is ridiculous and should be illegal, it takes advantage of students and is more or less extortion. There is also no reason that books should cost $80 or more.
Partially agree.
The language doesn't change but the way people speak does... At least I found some older books to be somehow boring when compared to actual editions...
They also update pictures, correct mistakes, add something here or there, etc. Of course that doesn't mean schools should tell you to buy the newer edition every year, but it should be recommended, to get the newer version if you have a choice, and firmly recommended if what you got is a 6 years old version
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I wouldn't use one. I don't buy textbooks period. As long as you attend class, most of the time books are a massive waste.
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I wouldn't use one. I don't buy textbooks period. As long as you attend class, most of the time books are a massive waste.
Community college? High school?
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Also, aren't a lot of University's worried they won't get the kick back from book sales at the local bookstore? If nearly everyone transitioned over to e-readers then schools would be loosing out on a lot of potential profit.
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