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Originally Posted by cl04k3d View Post
They get away with it because they said that they would replace the laptop with a comparable not an equal one. A $2000 laptop is comparable to a $250 one, just a terrible comparison.

They should replace laptops with equal performance.
Equal performance is a bit hard because you have to consider that these laptops are years old...

However, what they were originally saying is that they would be replaced with a new one of similar size and value. That was great but for some reason, and this is what I don't understand, the lawyers who started the class action suit agreed to the settlement terms of the Compaq and now there's nothing anyone can really do about it unless they opted out like as soon as it was announced.

Personally, this is old news to me because I saw it when it was announced in December. So my 17" DV7 that I paid $900 for is only worth a cheap piece of crap Compaq now. Thankfully, mine still works but just has teething problems.
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I'm never buying another product associated with Nvidia ever again.
    
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If you take into account the VALUE of the laptops in question, i would agree that they are worth, maybe, $400. However, if you take into account the capability of the laptops that were affected vs. the one that was used for the settlement, there are obvious differences that, surprisingly, are ignored in the ruling. However, the judge needs to use something as a metric for what is "fair" to give out, and that comes down to the monetary value of the computers in question.

Maybe not perfect, but an analogy would be you crash your 2001 Honda Accord and total it. The insurance company doesn't give you a brand new car or the money to buy a brand new Accord, they give you the current value of your car (if you're lucky), which would be maybe 1/10 of the original purchase price.
    
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Equal performance is a bit hard because you have to consider that these laptops are years old...
True... but it's quite obvious that any older Core 2 Duo (what was found in the vast majority of laptops with Nvidia 8400M/8600M/8700M) outperforms the hell out of a single-core Celeron. That's not even considering the downgrade from decent dedicated graphics to crap Intel IGP.

Nvidia and the judges probably saw the Compaq as equivalent in current day value, but ignored performance completely.
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I feel the pain and I will not be buying any Nvidia products anytime in the near future unless they change their practices...

I bought a high-end Sager laptop with a 8800m GTX for about $2500 maybe 3-3.5 years ago. The card actually lasted about 1.5 years then died; my warranty on the laptop was only for a year so I ended up baking the card in the oven a couple times to extend it's life for maybe another month until it finally bricked for good. Found another new 8800m GTX on ebay for ~$225 and bought it... only lasted about 6 months and had the same issues.

Around that time was when all the Nvidia issues started to come out and I was like screw them and the gaming notebook market and built my current rig.
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What I am willing to bet is that the prosecuters were at fault.

This sort of thing happens when prosecutors, rather then comparing high end systems go for the average or even below average system. So they show the judge the specs on it. But those specs aren't the high end ones but the lower to midrange ones. So even though this replacement satisfies the lower to mid range, its woefully inadequete.

The reason why the objection was overturned is simple then. The objection is that the replacement is not better then the higher range laptops that the enthusiasts had. But you see, the comparison specifications used as a benchmark against nvidia had already been agreed upon by both sides.

To try and change that would mean completely redoing the trial, which if you remember, you cannot be tried for the same crime twice as per the constitution. The only way to possibly attempt to redo the trial is to declare a mistrial. And as far as the judge can see, there was no mistrial.

The fault wasn't with nvidia as much as with the lawyers representing the class action lawsuit. They did not account for the higher range laptops out there, and by giving lower specifications then they should have they screwed the high range users.

You guys, you can't really blame nvidia. The judge told them that they would have to provide replacements that were equal to or better then the template specifications given by the prosecutors. Nvidia did do better then the template, its just that the template was utter crap to begin with.
    
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When replacements are given, often it's "of equal or lesser value". This case just happened to be of the lesser variety.
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post #88 of 115
I have no sympathy for jackasses who bought "gaming laptops" and had them fail on them.

Truth is you should never expect fair value when you buy one, and this really has nothing to do with nvidia's desktop products.

Do you even know exactly why nvidia is at fault? ( I do.)

Why should nvidia have to pay for a 2000 dollar laptop when they are only responsible for that 75 dollar gpu inside. Doesnt seem fair to me. I mean if all the dvd drives from samsung went bad inside laptops, should samsung send you a new laptop. Doesnt seem very efficient.

570's "blow" when you raise voltage, which is NOT covered by warranty.

590's are just a dumb card to begin with, as are all dual gpu cards.

480's idling at 90 is a new one for me. I dont believe that it is really an issue. Sounds almost made up.

AMD fanbois are relentless, but most of their crap holds little water. Personally I dont get why you would be mad at nvidia unless you bought one of these laptops. Hope you learned your lesson. (dont buy powerful gpu laptops)
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I for one cannot believe Nvidia would do something so low and underhanded.

Oh wait, sorry. Nvidia. Yeah... Them.
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post #90 of 115
Well well, a judge in nvidia's pocket. Corruption at its finest....

What can I say, with the debacle over 4 series graphics cards, and now this.
Could the final nails in Nvidia's coffin, soon be hammered in by the wallets of its customers?
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