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Slightly necro, and slight threadjack, but I'm looking to get a new netbook in the next 3-4 months, and I'm asking the same questions on which CPU to aim for. The biggest issue I've got, is that it's gonna be running Linux, and as far as I can tell, the PowerVR GPUs are a no-no (these are found on the up-coming Cedar Trail Atoms, and I believe on Pineview as well). Which leaves the Nano or Brazos (discounting older stuff like Celeron/Pentium M's, Athlon's, etc), unless there's some ULV Sandy Bridge chip making it's way in?

Anyway, apart from the GPU, what's the difference between the Pineview Atoms and the Diamondville I've got now? If it's minimal, then that just discounts Atom single-cores completely, as I'm looking for an improvement of some kind (in battery life and/or performance)

It's this Linux compatibility that I'm worried about, I've got no problem with Brazos, except I won't be gaming much, so is it better than an Atom, if I've got a choice?

Edit: I'm an idiot - I was mixing up Pineview with Poulsbo, it's Poulsbo with the PowerVR-based GPU, and the sketchy Linux compatibility. Pineview is fine, it's the good ol' Intel GMA
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Not a threadjack. It's exactly what this thread should be used for. Netbook CPU Discussion

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Slightly necro, and slight threadjack, but I'm looking to get a new netbook in the next 3-4 months, and I'm asking the same questions on which CPU to aim for. The biggest issue I've got, is that it's gonna be running Linux, and as far as I can tell, the PowerVR GPUs are a no-no (these are found on the up-coming Cedar Trail Atoms, and I believe on Pineview as well). Which leaves the Nano or Brazos (discounting older stuff like Celeron/Pentium M's, Athlon's, etc), unless there's some ULV Sandy Bridge chip making it's way in?

Anyway, apart from the GPU, what's the difference between the Pineview Atoms and the Diamondville I've got now? If it's minimal, then that just discounts Atom single-cores completely, as I'm looking for an improvement of some kind (in battery life and/or performance)

It's this Linux compatibility that I'm worried about, I've got no problem with Brazos, except I won't be gaming much, so is it better than an Atom, if I've got a choice?

Edit: I'm an idiot - I was mixing up Pineview with Poulsbo, it's Poulsbo with the PowerVR-based GPU, and the sketchy Linux compatibility. Pineview is fine, it's the good ol' Intel GMA
From what I saw on Intel's Ark page the newest Atoms are going to be single cores but have a reduced power draw. I think they go down to 2Watts now as opposed to the 5-8Watts that my N450 is at. So if it's the same performance with less power usage that's a decent improvement. I can tell you that without needing to replace windows and start using Linux because of the Atom being too slow on windows I don't think I'd have been exposed to Linux. For me switching to Linux got the netbook from slow machine I could barely tolerate using to a school/portable DVD platform.

Just checked out the Ark and saw the Z560 and damn 2.1GHz and only 2.5Watts?

But what exactly are you looking for? The N570/550 are the only ones that will offer improvement in the Atom line. Otherwise look to the Pentium U5600 (SB based), i3-380UM, C-50, or E-350/360. Beyond that there's not much reason to upgrade/spend unless you're going for the newer Atoms with reduced power consumption.

Here's the machine I would get:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834215034
     
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My reason to upgrade, is that I've got "the itch". My main rig is 18 months old (only had new GPU cooler in that time), and my netbook (now my day-to-day machine) is 3 years old. I can't see any advantage to getting a Atom N4xx netbook, as pulling the GPU onboard is only a good idea on desktops (with proper CPU HSFs). I liked the idea of Bobcat when I first heard about Bulldozer and AMDs new plans, but further research leads me to believe that Bobcat is overrated. I'm not truly sure of the differences between Bobcat and, say, Phenom (except cache), except power consumption. I don't think it's the innovation I once thought it was.

I haven't seen any netbooks with ULV Pentiums in, except the old Penryn based ones (in the UK). That link you sent is an Arrandale, quite nice, plus in 3 months it should come down in price a bit I'd love to see more "big" CPUs in ULV form in netbooks, I think it's the way forward rather than the "mini" Atom-style CPUs
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My reason to upgrade, is that I've got "the itch". My main rig is 18 months old (only had new GPU cooler in that time), and my netbook (now my day-to-day machine) is 3 years old. I can't see any advantage to getting a Atom N4xx netbook, as pulling the GPU onboard is only a good idea on desktops (with proper CPU HSFs). I liked the idea of Bobcat when I first heard about Bulldozer and AMDs new plans, but further research leads me to believe that Bobcat is overrated. I'm not truly sure of the differences between Bobcat and, say, Phenom (except cache), except power consumption. I don't think it's the innovation I once thought it was.

I haven't seen any netbooks with ULV Pentiums in, except the old Penryn based ones (in the UK). That link you sent is an Arrandale, quite nice, plus in 3 months it should come down in price a bit I'd love to see more "big" CPUs in ULV form in netbooks, I think it's the way forward rather than the "mini" Atom-style CPUs
I hear you. I have that itch with the netbook at times but I can't because it really is more than enough for the reason I bought it (school computer with battery life). I'm not really interested in the code names but the C-50 and E-350 are the only "netbook" chips I'm interested in but they sadly are AMD which means frustration with Linux. The advantage they have is being HD capable while only consuming at tops 18Watts or for the C-50 8Watts. That's definitely something.

But I don't recommend waiting to long on the ULV one I linked to you since they tend to get pulled off the market fast for some reason. Also, that is the netbook I want so bad but don't have the money for.

And the way forward is still with the Atom/Fusion lines because they are dirt cheap and consume very little power. I think they could be the Chips that proliferate computers around the world. If they did I bet Linux would gain more because windows just isn't kind on the Atom.
     
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Well, Cedar Trail (the 32nm Atom) will kill Linux off, as the GPU isn't supported - nice one intel
Looking at the benchmarks, the N550 is the best bet, as it consumes about the same power as the C-50, but performs way better. The E-350 is a better chip again, but consumes twice the power, so I'd worry about battery life. It seems that the AMD chips are the way to go for intensive graphics use, but I don't want that in a netbook (especially running Linux!), so I'm heading towards the Atom. Gutted that Cedar Trail won't be Linux compatible though, a 32nm Atom would rock it
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Well, Cedar Trail (the 32nm Atom) will kill Linux off, as the GPU isn't supported - nice one intel
Looking at the benchmarks, the N550 is the best bet, as it consumes about the same power as the C-50, but performs way better. The E-350 is a better chip again, but consumes twice the power, so I'd worry about battery life. It seems that the AMD chips are the way to go for intensive graphics use, but I don't want that in a netbook (especially running Linux!), so I'm heading towards the Atom. Gutted that Cedar Trail won't be Linux compatible though, a 32nm Atom would rock it
I would say that if you don't have a need for HD playback then the N550/570 are what you will want.

I find it hard to believe that Intel is stupid enough to make Cedar Trail Linux incompatible considering they're invested in a netbook only OS called MeeGo. But then again for profit companies aren't always the brightest.
     
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Hmm, according to Google, it will support Chrome OS - but it uses the PowerVR chipset as it's onboard GPU, which isn't Linux-compatible, so I don't understand???
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