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It's not like the actually DEVELOPED this chip. Just a higher binned/clocked 955 C3 as all of the others are.
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post #102 of 135
dude it is
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Yeah.. I hope the Phenom 2 955 would drop to 119 USD asap. That would be pretty awesome (for me at least) xD
 
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It's just doing the math. They are charging $20 more for each 100Mhz speed bump. Not even Intel does that.
No they just charge that for an unlocked multi and no speed increase to CPU speed.
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This chip is for people who don't know better. Go a phenom quad if low budget, anything else go intel.
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This chip is for people who don't know better. Go a phenom quad if low budget, anything else go intel.
I agree bar the Intel part, also why would a consumer need to know better?

To them a computer is a screen and a box/case/chassis is a HDD. Yes to most of us this is probably a waste.
But remember that companies do expect the spending of a consumer in ignorance, but what does it matter?

To them it's a quad core CPU that runs at 3.7 GHz, so that's nearly all boxes ticked.
I think that it's overpriced for what it offers considering that in that list you can have a 1055 and a 1065T for the same or under the asking price. But that is just my own opinion.

For AMD to push the phenom II arch this far on stock voltage and cooling is a feat in it's self and why shouldn't they wring every last drop out of their old arch that has served them so well over the years.

To me this is the "swan song" of the phenom II architecture before the release of the new Bulldozer shows it's talked about face.

I hope that they might release a stock 4.0 GHz chip because I would buy that just to put up on the wall.
Edited by smash_mouth01 - 5/12/11 at 4:59am
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Should be here tomorrow
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this is assuming that bulldozer is going to perform in real life as the speculation. AMD has fallen short in performance numbers for a long time now compared to the intel chips. the appeal of the 980 is quite simple and im sure it will sell well. with the 980 being 3.7 ghz, a 4 ghz oc should be acheived with relative ease. not everyone can oc their 955 to 3.8. i cant even get mine to 3.7 stable. the cost of the 980 really isnt that bad. while i have my fingers crossed for bulldozer....im not holding my breath.
AMD have fallen in performance numbers because they haven't introduced a vastly new architecture since the K8 (which owned the competition for a long time). No way should their current prices/performance reflect that of the Bulldozer, and if it wasn't worth it for them to design, they wouldn't have worked on it for so long (over 5 years) and gotten good feedback from the server market where it is doing just fine. Either way it will destroy their current Phenoms, that is guaranteed, if it didn't they wouldn't have bothered introducing it in the first place.
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post #108 of 135
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No they just charge that for an unlocked multi and no speed increase to CPU speed.
Actually, the unlocked CPU's do have the full HD3000 graphics instead of the HD2000. A few days ago you would rightfully say "so what ? You can't use it with a P67 board", but now that the Z68 chipset is available, you can, and can benefit from Quick Sync, and more GPU power.

But you are comparing Apples to Oranges. You don't have a point of reference in AMD's lineup to say how much a locked x4 980 would cost. How much is an unlocked CPU worth to you ? They have a whole lot of unlocked CPU's that can't really overclock that differently from each other. It doesn't matter if you have a 965BE or a 980BE. As long as it's the 125w version, you'll hit a wall at around 4.2 Ghz on air, and not much more on water. The tech does not allow for more. So, essentially, they are charging $20 for a 100Mhz speed bump.

On the other hand, you are basically implying that an unlocked multiplier is not worth $20 ? Hahahaha.

Unlocked CPU's used to be much more expensive. They only got cheaper because AMD had to resort to that tactic in order to stay competitive with an outdated CPU design. Intel had to follow suit because some people think than an unlocked CPU has the potential to perform better, when in fact that is not a straightforward fact - tell that to all the people who bought and vendors who sold systems based on Core i7's 920 (many times vendor overclocked systems) instead of 965 EE.

So, inadvertently, we all have to thank AMD for that, although it's not entirely straightforward as I said. But I still remember when Athlon FX CPU's sold for more than $700. Yes, seven hundred dollars.


By the way, you can still overclock a locked i5 2500 more than you can probably overclock a Phenom II x4 980, as it allows for 4 speed bins overclock. Unlocked ones can get even more. That difference is worth $20 to many, many people.



The Phenom II X4's are a little bit slower clock for clock than the Core 2 Quads 45nm:

Same clockspeed 955BE vs QX9770 (QX9770, or what you can get by setting the multiplier of a Q9550 to 8 and FSB to 1600) comparison. AMD wins 5 out of 31 tests.


965BE vs QX9770 (or a Q9550 8x multi and 1600 FSB). Gets closer, but the Intel still wins most (AMD wins 9 out of 31 benchmarks).

970BE vs QX9770 AMD wins 12 out of 26 tests.

(Anand does not have the 975BE in the bench.)

980BE vs QX9770. AMD wins 18 out of 30 tests.


I'd say they are probably more or less even at 3.5 Ghz with the 970BE or the 3.6Ghz 975BE (probably around the middle of both). That means it has around a 300-400Mhz clockspeed deficit when compared to the Core 2 Quads.
 
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I started reading this topic on the first page people saying the i5 is better quite simply you get what you can afford amd are offering a good product at a moderate price so when you compare it intel prices are way higher oh btw why are intel fan boys even on this topic.

rant over, can't wait for the rest of the line drops in price so i can pick up a bargin
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I started reading this topic on the first page people saying the i5 is better quite simply you get what you can afford amd are offering a good product at a moderate price so when you compare it intel prices are way higher oh btw why are intel fan boys even on this topic.

rant over, can't wait for the rest of the line drops in price so i can pick up a bargin

1. That chip may be worth the asking price to collectors, but it is not to everybody else. As long as you have the 125w version, a 965BE can overclock about the same as they both hit a wall at around 4.2GHz on air and a little more on water. The architecture and manufacturing process does not allow for more. Since both 965 and 980 are multiplier unlocked, it does not make much sense spending $50 (or more if you compare with the 955BE's new price) more for very little extra (if at all).

2. People are allowed to come here, even if they use Transmeta Crusoe's. It's a democracy, live with it. If AMD's CPU's were much better, AMD fans would love for Intel users to come to AMD threads so they could show them how good AMD was and try to convince them to switch brands. That's only natural.

3. Yes, pick up a bargain - the 955BE or 965BE, that is the only great thing the 980 BE launch brings with it.
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