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PhII X4 965BE is about as fast as a i5 760,or i7 860,and not much slower than a i7 920.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=191
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=108
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=47
Don't go QQ'ing that the clock for clock isn't even. Clock for clock doesn't matter when the Intel CPU has stronger cores.
Edited by Heavy MG - 5/12/11 at 3:36pm
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Actually, the unlocked CPU's do have the full HD3000 graphics instead of the HD2000. A few days ago you would rightfully say "so what ? You can't use it with a P67 board", but now that the Z68 chipset is available, you can, and can benefit from Quick Sync, and more GPU power.

But you are comparing Apples to Oranges. You don't have a point of reference in AMD's lineup to say how much a locked x4 980 would cost. How much is an unlocked CPU worth to you ? They have a whole lot of unlocked CPU's that can't really overclock that differently from each other. It doesn't matter if you have a 965BE or a 980BE. As long as it's the 125w version, you'll hit a wall at around 4.2 Ghz on air, and not much more on water. The tech does not allow for more. So, essentially, they are charging $20 for a 100Mhz speed bump.
You where saying that Intel wouldn't charge $20 for a 100 MHz increase, for all intensive purposes your right. They charge $20 for an unlocked multi and no speed increase at all.

then here is the price stepping:

Intel Core i5 2500-$209.00

Intel Core i5 2500K-$225.00, ($16 for an unlocked multi)

Intel Core i7 2600-$299.00, ($74 for a 100MHz speed increase and no unlocked multi)

Intel Core i7 2600K-$325.00, ($26 for a unlocked multi)

The point I was making was that Intel plays the exact same game, and both have been doing it since their conception (well almost).

It was never a comparison of performance or apples to oranges. You stated that it wasn't worth it, ok I agree with you but that is two people out of a tiny 5% of an industry that really doesn't give a direct stuff about us enthusiasts.
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Originally Posted by Heavy MG View Post
PhII X4 965BE is about as fast as a i5 760,or i7 860,and not much slower than a i7 920.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=191
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=108
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=47
Don't go QQ'ing that the clock for clock isn't even. Clock for clock doesn't matter when the Intel CPU has stronger cores.
You forgot 1 comparison. $225 vs $195 a mere $30 difference.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=362

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Originally Posted by smash_mouth01 View Post
You where saying that Intel wouldn't charge $20 for a 100 MHz increase, for all intensive purposes your right. They charge $20 for an unlocked multi and no speed increase at all.

then here is the price stepping:

Intel Core i5 2500-$209.00

Intel Core i5 2500K-$225.00, ($16 for an unlocked multi)

Intel Core i7 2600-$299.00, ($74 for a 100MHz speed increase and no unlocked multi)

Intel Core i7 2600K-$325.00, ($26 for a unlocked multi)

The point I was making was that Intel plays the exact same game, and both have been doing it since their conception (well almost).

It was never a comparison of performance or apples to oranges. You stated that it wasn't worth it, ok I agree with you but that is two people out of a tiny 5% of an industry that really doesn't give a direct stuff about us enthusiasts.
You do realize the 2600 has Hyper Threading right?

It's not a $74 premium for a 100 MHZ increase.

$16 for unlock multi is CHEAP. The 2500's and 2600's will mainly be used for pre-built systems, and they still have some overclocking room.
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Geez. Check out the difference in Starcraft II. I thought my chip had quite an advantage there.. but whoa.
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post #115 of 135
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Originally Posted by 2010rig View Post
You forgot 1 comparison. $225 vs $195 a mere $30 difference.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=362



You do realize the 2600 has Hyper Threading right?


It's not a $74 premium for a 100 MHZ increase.

$16 for unlock multi is CHEAP. The 2500's and 2600's will mainly be used for pre-built systems, and they still have some overclocking room.
Your point, it will add in some value to the people that need it other than that .......meh.

Maybe it is worth it, maybe it isn't. The whole point I was making was that they both Intel and AMD do the same/similar thing.

I honestly don't give a monkey's uncle if it has HT or not and now you are comparing a potential.
$220 AU cpu to a $325 AU cpu and the Intel commands a $105 premium over it. To me that would break the bank, to me that is the better part of 8GB of ram or close to a SSD or another 1TB HDD.

I guess the underlining point is that value is in the eye of the beholder. For instance, you may buy another CPU before I retire mine (since its a hex core) for the $189 that I had spent you may of spent $200 odd on whatever CPU you have and then another....maybe $250 for the next best thing.

Now for my $189 you have spent $450, and that's not including a motherboard if needed for a new platform.

But I would and "have" just bought a 1055T and overclocking it and to me for it to beat at 3.3GHz (equiv 1100T):

Intel Core i7 950-$289.00 ($110 saved)
Intel Core i7 870-$299.00 ($120 saved)

and in some cases:
Intel Core i5 2400-$189.00 ($10 saved)
Intel Core i5 2500K-$225.00 ($46 saved)
(whilst at stock)

That is value to me.
post #117 of 135
I think these things are established in the high-end CPU market.

AMD enthusiasts always talk about "value" because they do not have fastest performance.
Intel Enthusiasts always talk about "performance" because they have little value (in the extreme high end)
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^ +1

/thread

Also I have been enjoying my purchase since pre 2011, I am happy with it.

It not so much that AMD is slower, because is some cases it's only margins of 3 odd seconds, I can't roll a smoke in 3 seconds or write my full name in that time. But I don't entirely think that we crow on about value because of our CPU being slower but more so the fact that AMD does bring value to the table.

At this "moment" you would be crazy to buy a top end amd compared to a 1155 i7 or i5.
Edited by smash_mouth01 - 5/13/11 at 1:38am
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I think these things are established in the high-end CPU market.

AMD enthusiasts always talk about "value" because they do not have fastest performance.
Intel Enthusiasts always talk about "performance" because they have little value (in the extreme high end)
ha ha ha - good one.

Value is in the eye of the beholder. don't hate because some of us have more money to spend, and are ok with spending more to get the best performance we can get.
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ha ha ha - good one.

Value is in the eye of the beholder. don't hate because some of us have more money to spend, and are ok with spending more to get the best performance we can get.
Pretty sure he wasn't hating, he even has an i7 in his sig. He was simply stating his observations.
    
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