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post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by KamuiRSX;13365828 
6970 is greater than the 5870 by a bit
The 6870 beats the 5850's.
5770 (also 6770 is it's rebrand) is about 1-2% better than the old 4870's though with new driver updates, it's more like 5% now.


Unfortunately, I can't find any actual benchmarks of the 6550 so my guess is that it should be around the same level as the 5550. Specs wise, it's more akin to the 5570 but it's downclocked so you have to keep that in mind.

Although, to be honest, that's actually a really good TDP depending on the clock speed of the CPU. I mean, it's got a 100w TDP and the 6550 should use around 30-40w on load so the CPU is around the 60-70w range. Not bad at all for a quad core.

I meant more along the lines of the generation progression not really the performance numbers.

As for the TDP...I thought Llano was supposed to be the successor of Zacate so I was looking more for a 18w or around that. ARM chips are going from dual to quad, faster and higher GPU and still drawing less power, I was hoping these x86 chips would be capable of the same.
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As long as it's not just another Phenom II with integrated graphics, then it's progress, I suppose
It's funny you should say that, because that's exactly what Llano is - a 32nm die shrink of Phenom II with on die GPU.
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As for the TDP...I thought Llano was supposed to be the successor of Zacate so I was looking more for a 18w or around that.
Wichita is the successor to Zacate. Wichita is a 28nm chip with "enhanced bobcat cores".

Llano is a mainstream package aimed at increasing performance through GPU's rather than IPC. The mainstream segment can possibly hit near 5770 levels through an integrated crossfire solution.
Edited by The-Beast - 5/3/11 at 4:26pm
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I won't expect miracles from AMD until we see Bulldozer on their 28nm node. Llano is a stop-gap.

since when is bulldozer on the 28nm node???


no cpu will ever go on an half node anyway ...
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no cpu will ever go on an half node anyway ...
wha?
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It's funny you should say that, because that's exactly what Llano is - a 32nm die shrink of Phenom II with on die GPU.
I can't seem to tell the difference between what is Bulldozer and what is not ...

I thought this included the new Bulldozer architecture ? Perhaps they arrive later then ..
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I can't seem to tell the difference between what is Bulldozer and what is not ...

I thought this included the new Bulldozer architecture ? Perhaps they arrive later then ..
the second gen apus are planned to be bulldozer based. the first gen are stars core based which is just die shrunk phenom 2
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I meant more along the lines of the generation progression not really the performance numbers.

As for the TDP...I thought Llano was supposed to be the successor of Zacate so I was looking more for a 18w or around that. ARM chips are going from dual to quad, faster and higher GPU and still drawing less power, I was hoping these x86 chips would be capable of the same.
Zacate has a listed TDP of 18w, but it seldom comes close. More importantly, it uses very little power when at idle (most processors spend most of their time at idle). I believe that the pervasive power gating that Llano uses will result in a usage much lower than 100w (it would only use that much when gaming or running other such compute intense programs).

ARM keeps bumping up its max power consumption. True ARM chips use little power when at idle, but they can and do use much more when working (they try to do a task quickly and return to idle, but this only saves power if a task is small). The difference here is that a quad core ARM processor still can't compete against x86 because it has a much slower performance/clock. x86 is becoming more power efficient while retaining its power while ARM is staying power efficient while gaining power. The initial crossover will likely be in the netbook range (ARM won't be able to fight POWER, SPARC, EPIC, or x86 in the HPC field for quite some time).
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As for the TDP...I thought Llano was supposed to be the successor of Zacate so I was looking more for a 18w or around that. ARM chips are going from dual to quad, faster and higher GPU and still drawing less power, I was hoping these x86 chips would be capable of the same.
The listed one is the high-end quad-core with HD6550. The Llano that is to get into the Bobcat realm was the dual-core HD6390(?). I think it was still to have between 25-35W. I don't have time to go find the information atm.
    
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I meant more along the lines of the generation progression not really the performance numbers.

As for the TDP...I thought Llano was supposed to be the successor of Zacate so I was looking more for a 18w or around that. ARM chips are going from dual to quad, faster and higher GPU and still drawing less power, I was hoping these x86 chips would be capable of the same.
Not quite.

Zacate is for Netbooks and Ultra Portables.

Llano is essentially your mainstream APU's and then the Phenom FX series are your performance CPU's.

I think LLano is supposed to go from dual core up to quad core and should be at different clock speeds. Like the guy posted above, I think there's a dual core one that can be put into a netbook to sorta compete with Zacate but it will use more power (obviously) while giving a big boost in performance.
Edited by KamuiRSX - 5/5/11 at 2:50am
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