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Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
It's pretty ironic that I warned about people priming and linxing their chips for hours on end, and just like back in 2004, I'm getting proven right once again.

Your chip is degrading because of the repeated stress testing done to it at high volts. I suffered degradation this week just by fighting to get into the 5 ghz club, and then repeatedly priming after that and watching the stability get worse and worse. Now 4.5 ghz needs a bump in bios when it was rock solid before (needs 1.275v bios->1.242 load, before it needed 1.270v, 1.236v, and ran blend all day), and 5 ghz needs from 1.428 to 1.440. It used to need only 1.404.

And 4.9 ghz really took a hit, too.

Summary: stop priming and running LinX on your cpu's for 12 hours, and stop folding at high voltages, and just use the chip normally. It will last MUCH longer that way.

At least people will realize that I saw this coming...back when people still had common sense, 10 loops of LinX was enough, and then you just use the cpu properly. Now, everyone is trying to run it for 12 hours to prove stability...all you're doing is proving you can degrade your valuable chips...
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What's that facepalm supposed to mean?
If you disagree with my post, either explain what the issue is, or even maybe you'll soon agree with me if you find your cpu degrading too.

Remember something--it's my money I'm spending--not yours--so don't even think about insulting me, unless you want to pay for my next CPU.
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I agree with Falkentyne, this business of priming for 24 hours and doing 50 IBT runs at max is just crazy. I do 10 IBT runs at max and if it passes then I'm stable in my opinion. Nothing I'm doing on my computer will ever stress the CPU that much anyway....
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I personally have the money to buy another CPU--several cpu's if I so choose, but it doesn't mean I WANT to waste money like that, since the whole point I work so hard to save up every month is to splurge on some nice new hardware every so often.

But the thing is, there's always some people who say possible degradation is a myth, then they go out of their way to prove it (and I actually wonder if some of them are lying or not, deliberately).

There was this one person on Xtremesystems named benchzoner (who is now banned) who believed degradation and killing cpu's with high vcore and high VTT (45nm core 2's; I don't remember if they were wolfs or yorks (E8x00's or Q9650s) just didn't happen. So he allegedly built several systems and ran them stress testing 24/7, at 1.6v ON AIR, and 1.4v VTT for a month+, and claimed to have NO degradation or loss of overclocking ability (of course no methology was mentioned...were the MAX clocks at the absolute lowest vcore determined before hand?), and after the tests were done, he said all of the tested systems overclocked just as well as before.

Personally I find this hard to believe, even though every CPU is different. But 1.6v through a 45nm CPU on AIR, stress testing 24/7 for a month+, and claiming NO degradation? His "tests" started making people believe degradation didn't happen... Ahem...pretty hilarious that I saw degradation at 1.6v on a 65nm DUAL...I'm starting to frankly believe he was just full of you know what....

And never mind that guy on OCUK who had a QX9650 that used to run at 4.4 ghz at 1.45v, but after a week, would freeze in POST at that speed...

But to each his own. I Just hope people will start taking better care of their chips, and if they want to throw tons of current through them at high clocks, they need to keep the temps WAY down as the voltage goes up...
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