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Originally Posted by hli53194 View Post
But if the RAD itself is hot to the touch, this does not apply, since going by your theory, the RAD should be cool while the components are scorching.
Thats not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is the water is heating up to much for the rad to keep up. We all know that 2 120 dual rads is enough for a cpu and one gpu. Tons of people get away with one 120 dual rad on that same set up.

I know this is not how long water says in the block but this will make for easy number. Lest say anormal pump pushes one ml of water though his block every second. Now every second that that water stayed in the block it raised 10 degrees. Now his flow rate on his is half, so it takes 2 seconds for one ml to be pushed through his block so now it has raised 20 degrees because it has stayed in the block longer and is allowed to soak up more heat.

Now because his flow is half of what it should be the temp of his water is greater. Now a rad can only remove so much heat from the water, even if you put the best fans is only going to remove so much heat.

Now the rads that we use on our PC's are only designed for lower temps. There not going to cool boiling water because they are not designed for that. Now the water that is going in to his rad is to hot for the rad to function with in its limits.
Edited by leichtwork - 5/3/11 at 4:44pm
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Where do you think the heat is coming from?

Hint: cpu and gpu
Yes , but it should not be getting that hot under water with 2 radiators .

Turning vysnc off or disabling cores will make no difference , thats stupid advice im sorry . theres no need to disable anything , it should be running under spec temps with his loop .

The pump is the problem , ill put money on it .
    
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Thats not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is the water is heating up to much for the rad to keep up. We all know that 2 120 dual rads is enough for a cpu and one gpu. Tons of people get away with one 120 dual rad on that same set up.

I know this is not how long water says in the block but this will make for easy number. Lest say anormal pump pushes one ml of water though his block every second. Now every second that that water stayed in the block it raised 10 degrees. Now his flow rate on his is half, so it takes 2 seconds for one ml to be pushed through his block so now it has raised 20 ml because it has stayed in the block longer and is allowed to soak up more heat.

Now because his flow is half of what it should be the temp of his water is greater. Now a rad can only remove so much heat from the water, even if you put the best fans is only going to remove so much heat.

Now the rads that we use on our PC's are only designed for lower temps. There not going to cool boiling water because they are not designed for that. Now the water that is going in to his rad is to hot for the rad to function with in its limits.
this man is on the ball

couldnt of said it better myself , definatly whats goin on .
    
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Right, but what it does mean was your radiator wasn't doing it's job either, because the radiator should have been cold if it were working.
You are aircooling your computer. Getting advice about a watercooling problem from someone who uses aircooling is about as useful as the fat kid telling the body builder how to work out. It just doesn't work.

At first I thought it was the fans, but then I noticed the Radiators were hot to the touch, then everyone started saying it's the pump. Why argue? What harm could come of it? The Radiator doesn't move the water. It merely dissipates the heat from the water that's pushed through it BY THE PUMP.

What's doing the work here? The Pump. What's the problem? Temps are too high. Okay, check the blocks, all snug and fit like new. Mkay, what about the rads? Hot to the touch you say? Hmm... This sounds like a lack of efficient waterflow.

As far as the OP has stated, the loop goes from the reservoir to the CPU and then to the radiator. Then goes from that radiator to the GPU and another Radiator and THEN back to the res. I say Pump.
     
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you are aircooling your computer. Getting advice about a watercooling problem from someone who uses aircooling is about as useful as the fat kid telling the body builder how to work out. It just doesn't work.

At first i thought it was the fans, but then i noticed the radiators were hot to the touch, then everyone started saying it's the pump. Why argue? What harm could come of it? The radiator doesn't move the water. It merely dissipates the heat from the water that's pushed through it by the pump.

What's doing the work here? The pump. What's the problem? Temps are too high. Okay, check the blocks, all snug and fit like new. Mkay, what about the rads? Hot to the touch you say? Hmm... This sounds like a lack of efficient waterflow.

As far as the op has stated, the loop goes from the reservoir to the cpu and then to the radiator. Then goes from that radiator to the gpu and another radiator and then back to the res. I say pump.
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Thanks for all the replies guys.

I posted before that when I run the alone, without stressing the GPU (2d Clocks) the CPU temps are fine. It's when the GPU starts adding heat in to the loop I start to get problems.

I don't know what to think to be honest with all the different replies, some saying fans, some saying pump.
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Turning vysnc off or disabling cores will make no difference , thats stupid advice im sorry
Sorry but you're clueless. Reducing heat output from the cpu and gpu, especially slowing down the hot GTX 580, will have a huge effect on temperatures.

My suggestion costs nothing. And it can be immediately tested.
     
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this man is on the ball

couldnt of said it better myself , definatly whats goin on .
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This is the loop layout by the way if it helps.





The loop has been put together since mid January. At the time, the temperatures were great as far as I remember, but unfortunately I did not note down any figures. A few months on the temperatures got worse, but I thought that would be down to dust and ambients increasing as we got towards summer.
Edited by Outcasst - 5/3/11 at 4:52pm
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