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I would appreciate some advice with extending the life of an obsolete rig, hopefully with just a GFX card upgrade.

Current inventory of parts:
MOBOs: Asus P4C800-e, P4P800-e
PSUs: Enermax Infiniti 720, CoolMax 600CU
CPUs: 3.2EE Gallatin, 3.2E Prescott
Drives: 2 WD Caviar Black 640 GB SATA II (only SATA 1 avail on MOBOs)
Floppy: IDE LS-120 drives, a few 3.5HD drives
Sound: Creative SBLive (unused since onboard sound is enabled)
CD/DVD: Samsung Combo drive, Liteon DVD/CD lightscribe burner/reader
Video: Asus 6800GT, EVGA 7600GS (big dissappointment), EVGA 6600GT (can be used to heat your home), MSI 6600 VIVO, and on down
RAM: All dual channel kits - Corsair XMS3700 (2x512) XMS3200(2x1024, CAS2.5), Kingston value ram (2x512)
Also a bunch of decent IDE drives.

I don't have the budget right now for a complete overhaul, but my expectations are not all that high either. I'm just hoping to be able to play games like NWN2 (worked fine until I added motb), Oblivian, and other DX9 games from same or earlier era. i.e. 2000-2007 at a decent performance without sacrificing much, if any graphics quality.

Thanks in advance for any help,

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post #2 of 17
Good luck finding an AGP card honestly. Best Nvidia has to offer is the 7800GS. And ATI has the HD3850 AGP (and I think a HD4670 too). But either of the ATI options would be held back massively by the Pentium 4.

Your best bet is to keep your eyes peeled on ebay for a 7800GS.
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post #3 of 17
Honestly I would not recommend buying an AGP card for that rig. The fastest thing you will find is a 3850/4670, Performance will not be substantially better and you will pay a premium for it. That money would be much better spent building a new computer.
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post #4 of 17
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RE: ATI cards - I've read those are 128-bit interface, can't see how that could out perform a 256-bit interface, but then again its been almost 20 years since I was involved in producing computer interfaces.

As far as the 7800GS goes, I've heard (unconfirmed, of course) that there are some 7950GT's w/512MB floating around that are 'supposedly' really fast but suck a lot of power, they even use a PCIe power connector. I guess I was hoping to find someone that has actually used one of these and could comment on their experience.
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post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by bosem View Post
RE: ATI cards - I've read those are 128-bit interface, can't see how that could out perform a 256-bit interface, but then again its been almost 20 years since I was involved in producing computer interfaces.

As far as the 7800GS goes, I've heard (unconfirmed, of course) that there are some 7950GT's w/512MB floating around that are 'supposedly' really fast but suck a lot of power, they even use a PCIe power connector. I guess I was hoping to find someone that has actually used one of these and could comment on their experience.
There are 7950GT's, and 7900GX2's even, yes. Problem being, those are PCI Express cards. You asked about AGP cards.

The highest AGP card is a 7800GS from Nvidia. Highest (performing) from ATI is a HD3850 for AGP.

Honestly, they're not worth the price at ALL when you could jump into a low end AMD build with onboard HD4200 graphics, that'll beat the AGP card you have, and the CPU will be 100x faster....all for right around the same price as you'd pay for an AGP card upgrade.
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post #6 of 17
My AGP x1950 Pro has a 265 bit DDR3, as does my AGP 3850 512 DDR3. And my x1950 outperforms my Nvidia 7800GS.
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The last AGP card i used was an ATI Radeon 9200, before i moved to PCI-E and, a new rig. Came off a pc i got for free. Little bugger had 128 MB VRAM, and was decent enough for DX9 games (even tho the DX version on it is 8.1), tho not the best really.

I do agree with BinaryDemon. Any attempt to update that rig will be a waste of money, since you'd pay way too much, used parts would be hard to find, and you wouldn't see any huge boost in performance. What i'd do is use that 7600 GS, seems to be the best you have atm.

I've seen some 8xxx's floating around, but i wouldn't be so sure.
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post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
There are 7950GT's, and 7900GX2's even, yes. Problem being, those are PCI Express cards. You asked about AGP cards.
Actually, you misunderstood me. There was a red dual slot AGP 7950 for sale new on ebay a couple months ago for about 110.00 (not an auction) but someone else grabbed it while I was mulling it over. I did contact the seller to ask if he would be getting more, but he referred me to someone else who was also sold out of them. And yes, we did discuss the unusual PCIe power connector which he said along with the high clock rate was the reason the cards sold so fast. In other words, it was an AGP version of the normally only PCIe 7950GT.
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post #9 of 17
yea XFX made AGP versions of the 7950GT but they where vendor only not Nvidia supported so they are harder to get
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by Starbomba View Post
The last AGP card i used was an ATI Radeon 9200, before i moved to PCI-E and, a new rig. Came off a pc i got for free. Little bugger had 128 MB VRAM, and was decent enough for DX9 games (even tho the DX version on it is 8.1), tho not the best really.

I do agree with BinaryDemon. Any attempt to update that rig will be a waste of money, since you'd pay way too much, used parts would be hard to find, and you wouldn't see any huge boost in performance. What i'd do is use that 7600 GS, seems to be the best you have atm.

I've seen some 8xxx's floating around, but i wouldn't be so sure.
Unfortunately my 7600GS is the EVGA model that was the best they could send me for an RMA'd 7800GS. The rep I spoke with told me that I "shouldn't notice to much of a decrease in performance". Man was that an understatement. Even my 6800GTw/256MB GDDR3 blows it away by 20-30% in speed benchmarks.

But I saw a couple of possibilities on newegg: both are HD 4650's, one by Sapphire, even has a PCIe connector which I like the idea of, and another by HIS. Both are only 128-bit interface but have 1GB of memory. The Sapphire is DDR2 at 600/800 speeds while the HIS has DDR3 at 600/1300 speeds but has the standard molex connector, meaning I'd have to continue sharing a power line with one of my hard drives. (Not really sure that even matters, but I have heard rumors its best to have GPU on its own line.)

There's only $10 difference in price but so I guess I may as well get the HIS even though from what I've heard here I probably won't notice any difference on my current setup even if I OC'd my P4 extreme edition to 3.6GHz.

Then again since I'm not planning to play anything more demanding than NWN2/MotB or Oblivian before upgrading to a modern rig, maybe I would get some slight improvement using the HIS card.

My only angst is that I've not had very good luck with ATI boards on intel rigs, (wierd lines, artifacts, etc) and to top it off three of the ATI cards I had trouble with just happen to have been HIS branded.

Any opinions are most welcome,

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