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Trimak,

Personally for myself, if you were designing cases from the ground up and taking bits and pieces from different areas in the market and trying to come up with an original, affordable (highly subjective), quality case (as far as build materials etc) then I would not only support you with advice, but possibly my finances down the road as well.

But I feel that after reading all of the posts in this thread it seems that this is not the case. (Literally no pun intended.)

The idea of taking a clone of an existing case, making it at a cheaper factory (do you know why it's cheaper in that Chinese Factory?), with lesser quality materials and then trying to pass it off as an awesome design with solid craftsmanship behind it. . .

Frankly it disgusts me. (Also I have a decent understanding of how capitalism works, but I also have respect for the reasons why we have copyright laws)

Pick up a CAD program, or hire some engineers and design one by yourself pulling from all the knowledge that you have gathered FROM competitors, don't pull their product and then relabel it. On top of that, ask the community what they want in a case, contact a few major motherboard manufacturers and ask for sample boards and actually get your elbows dirty and experience what it is really like to start your own company and invest in it with hard time, energy and sacrifices. Not only is it the correct way to start a business, but also in doing it that way you will be more likely to succeed and stick with it through the tough times since it's actually your baby and your idea.

Obviously I'm not here to tell you how to do this, but it's just some frank, sincere honest advice for you, especially when the majority of new businesses fail within their first few years and basically never get off the ground.

Lastly, I am not opposed to outsourcing jobs to other countries to get work done, so please don't take the above part about using a foreign countries factory to get the work done cheaper for you the wrong way, I was mainly specifying are you sure that the build quality that you will get from that specific factory will actually be what you expect? Or, more importantly what your customers expect from you? Don't give people high expectations and expect that if you fail to meet them that customers will be forgiving to you.
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Originally Posted by somebadlemonade View Post
if you don't mind i put some thought into this before
if you make it 23 inches long 12-13 inches wide and 23 inches tall, you could fit 2 480/120.4 rads on the floor of the case, you could fit the psu behind the motherboard tray's expansion slot area, fit an hptx motherboard, and have nine 5.25" drive bays and make a 4hdd to three 5.25" bay converter or two

that's my idea case, but i don't know how well others would like that design
Thanks a lot for your positive input and i'll definitely try it in CAD and take it into the pool of recommendations i'll be building

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Originally Posted by dave2z View Post
Trimak,

Personally for myself, if you were designing cases from the ground up and taking bits and pieces from different areas in the market and trying to come up with an original, affordable (highly subjective), quality case (as far as build materials etc) then I would not only support you with advice, but possibly my finances down the road as well.

But I feel that after reading all of the posts in this thread it seems that this is not the case. (Literally no pun intended.)

The idea of taking a clone of an existing case, making it at a cheaper factory (do you know why it's cheaper in that Chinese Factory?), with lesser quality materials and then trying to pass it off as an awesome design with solid craftsmanship behind it. . .

Frankly it disgusts me. (Also I have a decent understanding of how capitalism works, but I also have respect for the reasons why we have copyright laws)

Pick up a CAD program, or hire some engineers and design one by yourself pulling from all the knowledge that you have gathered FROM competitors, don't pull their product and then relabel it. On top of that, ask the community what they want in a case, contact a few major motherboard manufacturers and ask for sample boards and actually get your elbows dirty and experience what it is really like to start your own company and invest in it with hard time, energy and sacrifices. Not only is it the correct way to start a business, but also in doing it that way you will be more likely to succeed and stick with it through the tough times since it's actually your baby and your idea.

Obviously I'm not here to tell you how to do this, but it's just some frank, sincere honest advice for you, especially when the majority of new businesses fail within their first few years and basically never get off the ground.

Lastly, I am not opposed to outsourcing jobs to other countries to get work done, so please don't take the above part about using a foreign countries factory to get the work done cheaper for you the wrong way, I was mainly specifying are you sure that the build quality that you will get from that specific factory will actually be what you expect? Or, more importantly what your customers expect from you? Don't give people high expectations and expect that if you fail to meet them that customers will be forgiving to you.
Ok yeah sorry I should have been more clear but the idea hit me and I just blurted out a thread and now i'm gaining clarity on what I should have written.

CLARIFICATION:
I want to design my own case from the ground up but taking my inspiration from the mountain mods case at this point.

I definitely want to improve on some gaping flaws I have noticed in cases such as airflow in a lot of cases is sucked in and straight out before coming near any components which I have tested with smoke and is ridiculous as far as i'm concerned almost seems like a disappointing afterthought.
post #33 of 39
Well why try to improve airflow when these case's purpose is to water cool?
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Well why try to improve airflow when these case's purpose is to water cool?
1. Watercooling uses fans and thus creates airflow
2. You can't watercool everything, nor would everyone want to
3. Most people don't start with watercooling, it's a late stage improvement
4. Not everyone will be able to purchase a case + watercooling kit simultaneously
5. One might want to get their rig setup without watercooling and design it later when they can work with is hands on

And there are probably more
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Originally Posted by trimak View Post
1. Watercooling uses fans and thus creates airflow
2. You can't watercool everything, nor would everyone want to
3. Most people don't start with watercooling, it's a late stage improvement
4. Not everyone will be able to purchase a case + watercooling kit simultaneously
5. One might want to get their rig setup without watercooling and design it later when they can work with is hands on

And there are probably more
On the topic of water-cooling everything


You have ram water coolers and HDD water coolers and apparently now sound card and fan controller water coolers.

Someone custom fabricated a psu water cooler (I kid you not, guys in Europe and it's from 2006 but he custom fabed his own WC system).

Yeah you can water cool everything.
     
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post #36 of 39
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On the topic of water-cooling everything


You have ram water coolers and HDD water coolers and apparently now sound card and fan controller water coolers.

Someone custom fabricated a psu water cooler (I kid you not, guys in Europe and it's from 2006 but he custom fabed his own WC system).

Yeah you can water cool everything.
Unfortunately you are mistaken. Perhaps this video will best explain. Notice all the areas that bubble which indicates they are reaching 34C and cause the liquid to boil.


This is why even watercooled systems needs fans as there are many obscure spots which get hot and get very hot after watercooling as their usual airflow from the normal cpu heatsink fan etc are removed.
Edited by trimak - 5/6/11 at 1:42am
post #37 of 39
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Come on guys keep the thread flowing what do you want in an ideal case?

I've been getting into CAD but I am only familiar with the old ArchiCAD and I am learning this new version.
post #38 of 39
get sketchup and 3ds max, start modeling.
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Hmm ok ill try those packages
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