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Although I agree that current IGPs are very superior to the previous concept of integrated graphics, they are still behind your a-typical discreet GPU. By your own logic the IGPs have raised their performance bar (finally), but so will up coming low-end discreet GPUs, since they will trickle down in 1-2 years time frame as you so put it. So when you look at it now, of course you are seeing the inverse as the IGP performance has really increased after years and years of "bare minimum" while the next gen of low-end discrete card manufacturing should be somewhat lagging.

Is the entry level market the only tier losing money for nVidia? Because they spell the numbers out like an omen that all that matters is the quantity of GPUs being sold right now, not the performance bracket, time frame of release, quality, architecture type, or taking into account the low-end discrete cycle or any cycle at all, which was my point you effectively pointed out

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One could easily argue well AMD are still showing profitable gains, and my response to this they are still riding the new gen/release wave. Furthermore, they have much easier to swallow pricing compared to nVidia. I would ascertain that nVidia makes the most money when pushing that new GPU / generation out, it spikes and then plateaus out to nothing, where as AMD/ATi are more of a smaller spike, but the plateau sits higher. In general, this article is a bit 1-dimensional as I put it, and when you analyze the numbers a bit with some logic and understanding of the CPU/GPU tech world it sort of makes sense to anticipate it.

Although Duckie meant this for some one else about something else, this emphasizes my thoughts considerably:
Its too early to tell.
The big thing is "good enough" computing. The basic desktop today is basically "good enough" for the vast majority of users. The CPU has been good enough as of 1-3 years ago. (i.e. Most people don't need more than a Core 2 Duo). The IGP is now good enough as the primary use of a GPU is media consumption for most people.

This is why all hardware companies (NVIDIA and Intel included) are focusing on the mobile/ultraportable markets. The hardware there is not quite good enough and there is huge room for growth. Performance is doubling in less than a year time and there is a huge demand for smartphones.

NVIDIA knew this years ago so they bought up a CPU team and placed them on ARM. Intel saw this and is trying to push Atom into the mobile market.
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The big thing is "good enough" computing. The basic desktop today is basically "good enough" for the vast majority of users. The CPU has been good enough as of 1-3 years ago. (i.e. Most people don't need more than a Core 2 Duo). The IGP is now good enough as the primary use of a GPU is media consumption for most people.

This is why all hardware companies (NVIDIA and Intel included) are focusing on the mobile/ultraportable markets. The hardware there is not quite good enough and there is huge room for growth. Performance is doubling in less than a year time and there is a huge demand for smartphones.
That could be why I have a such hard time getting the point... I have never been a "Good Enough" kind of guy, which makes sense why I like OCN so much

That plays into the "innovation comes out of necessity" as opposed to "innovation comes out of creativity." I align myself with latter group

Which is probably my downfall: I always assume there will be faster, smarter, stronger components every generation. However cost effectiveness / demographics always holds us back.
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That could be why I have a such hard time getting the point... I have never been a "Good Enough" kind of guy, which makes sense why I like OCN so much

That plays into the "innovation comes out of necessity" as opposed to "innovation comes out of creativity." I align myself with latter group

Which is probably my downfall: I always assume there will be faster, smarter, stronger components every generation. However cost effectiveness / demographics always holds us back.
Yeah.... for the general public, what computing task is really that intensive anymore? Other than video encoding (which isn't that common), I am drawing a blank.
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Yeah.... for the general public, what computing task is really that intensive anymore? Other than video encoding (which isn't that common), I am drawing a blank.
That awesome facebook game lol
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Yeah.... for the general public, what computing task is really that intensive anymore? Other than video encoding (which isn't that common), I am drawing a blank.
Wow... maybe the next OS with flashy effects and HD video decoding (streaming too)?

If it wasn't for WinVista / 7 would we even need what we have now (as far as integrated GPUs go)?

Wow, being with the general public group is mindlessly boring... I see nothing fun... or do I lack the ability to look back inside the box? I am scared now
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haha, flash really was the main reason to upgrade a lot of horribly slow (but adequate for most uses) processors out there.
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Does anyone have hard numbers on the percentage of revenue integrated vs discrete is for AMD or Nvidia? Couldn't find anything concrete.
It's in the S&P stock reports for the two companies. For a comparison just look at the two. It's in the annual reports as well.
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Yeah.... for the general public, what computing task is really that intensive anymore? Other than video encoding (which isn't that common), I am drawing a blank.
There's a lot of Photoshop filters that are intensive, compiling, etc.

I just think AMD has really nailed it with the 5000 series, and stepped it up a bit with the 6000 series cards. Performance for price. Not to mention, how many games REALLY utilize Physics from Nvidia? Not many. It's a pointless and closed technology. Expensive too.

And I've never had an issue with ATI/AMD drivers til now...getting lots of graphical driver hangs at random for no reason ever since the last update.
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Wow... maybe the next OS with flashy effects and HD video decoding (streaming too)?

If it wasn't for WinVista / 7 would we even need what we have now (as far as integrated GPUs go)?

Wow, being with the general public group is mindlessly boring... I see nothing fun... or do I lack the ability to look back inside the box? I am scared now
IGP specifically support HD acceleration and can handle general flashy effects.

Yes, because HD media consumption has increased.

Computers are becoming appliances.


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There's a lot of Photoshop filters that are intensive, compiling, etc.
True, but most people don't use Photoshop advanced filters. They generally use it to touch up pictures.
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Intel locked nvidia out of the chipset market, but I suppose that happened quite a while ago, still I'm sure nvidia would have loved to sell an updated ion, etc chipset. It would have been better for the consumer too.
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