Originally Posted by RagingCain
Today I see many young Americans everywhere with this "entitled" feeling of rights. Rights that they have not earned, not worked for, but inherited. Your attitude of protecting "the rights" is an apathy which allows criminals to be criminals and hurt people. Therefore the thing that you cling to, is no longer guaranteed to save your life/wellbeing, or those that you care for.
While you have your "impenetrable rights", I want you to think about the child who is the victims of these sex offenders and criminals. Who is defending their rights, and bringing the perpetrators to justice? What perfect system do you have to help these kids? It is so easy to be hiding behind the amendments watching/glancing occasionally at people get hurt left and right, when it doesn't affect you, your children, or your friends and family. By protecting the criminals through convoluted litigation and red tape, you are withholding the Rights of the victims to get justice.
The reason we have rights isn't to protect us from each other, it's to protect us from the government. The only way to be totally safe is to let the gov't into your life with no restrictions, and that gives the gov't too much power.
Not to mention, I'm glad that you served in defense of this country [even though we haven't fought a defensive war since our founding], but just because you were in the military and served some tours in another country doesn't mean you're any more entitled to your constitutional rights than I am. Thats part of what makes this country what it is. So, with all respect due to a soldier, get off your soapbox.
Originally Posted by RagingCain
You don't have to agree with me, but please don't insult me by insinuating I want to be a mindless zombie to be safe. Its the weakest, most used argument for demonizing ones ability to see the greater good. I see the dream world that many people want for America, and then I see the colder reality of America. They have diverged, the world has changed, and so have we. Making any system we set forth more than 200 years ago, probably in need of serious tweaking.
I truly wish I knew more of the intricacies of our system to better describe its weaknesses and to fix them. When I see real crime going unpunished, I see a complete system failure, and I am not quite sure why I am the only one at times that feels this way.
Better to let a criminal go free than to imprison an innocent man. Yes, it is sad that people do things to other people worthy of imprisonment, but that does NOT mean that we should let the government into our lives to catch more criminals.
One of our founding fathers said "Those who would sacrifice personal liberty for safety deserve neither" [or something very similar].
Originally Posted by AtomicFrost
Good point. Without using the "accused" users IP address what can they track them with?
Email used to register on an "illegal" topic forum? Fake name address.
Address used to buy an item online? The order is handled on an SSL webpage.
I guess the only way for them to catch these people is increased surveillance on specific IP address to look for patterns of illegal activity. I hope this doesn't lead to more monitoring of citizens.
Unfortunately, it is a choice between anonymity and catching criminals online.
I vote for anonymity.
Well, I feel that an IP address shouldn't be excluded from the list of viable evidence, but it should take more than "I HAS AN IP FROM THIS TRACKER" to subpoena an ISP for information.
The problem with these lawsuits isn't that IP addresses are being used to catch people, it's that ONLY IP addresses are being used. Then, the prosecution contacts the owner of said IP address and threatens them with legal action if they don't pay up. No other evidence is collected, no other effort is expended to find out if they're actually getting the right person. If you get one of these threats in the mail and you decide to stand up for your rights and ask them for proof, you risk being slammed with a multi-million dollar lawsuit. And thats just wrong