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That's what they are saying. But p55 was supposed to be pci e 2.0. When there's no boards to check it. Who can say.
P55 CPUs *do* have PCIe 2.0. The chipset itself, no, it only has 8 PCIe 1.1 lanes, but that's not what he's asking. Keep in mind that since Lynnfield, the primary PCIe connectivity is on the CPU itself.
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That's what they are saying. But p55 was supposed to be pci e 2.0. When there's no boards to check it. Who can say.
What are you talking about?
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I wonder what's going to happen once we hit the 0.5nm barrier. If they get any smaller, they'll have to transfer parts of an atom. I wonder if it can create something explosive by rebuilding the atom in the wrong way...
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The article title is such fail... this isn't about the processors, it's about the fabrication process.
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It all depends on how fast the first generation of 22nm tri-gate Ivy Bridge will be.

Intel will be fine-tuning it over the next year, and besides, it's not in their interest to release something that is too fast, because they can always sell more CPU's with their current approach. Besides, they don't have competition, why would they?

Actually, it would be counter-productive to do so, because then AMD would be in trouble, and Intel needs AMD in order to keep monopoly lawsuits away. So, it will be your average CPU improvement, as always.
Unless AMD copies or licenses this technology, it doesn't look good for them seeing as they're not even at 28nm yet and Intel will be at 22nm only a couple months after. I don't see why Intel has to hold back because AMD is so far behind. It could be like the smartphone market, where one company had ~70% of the market before Apple and Google came on board.

Makes me wonder why AMD's CEO and a bunch of other executives fled the (sinking?) ship so quickly a few months ago. Did they know this was coming down the road?
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Cant imagine what comes after IB seems we are taking huge leaps now with Intel.
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If this technology is really what it is cracked up to be, I see AMD going out of business. This is what billions of dollars of R&D gets you and unless Intel is made to share the technology, it will mean the end of AMD competitiveness.
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In before Intel press release stating new Ivy Bridge chips now release on your choice of eight or sixteen cores with 5.0GHz stock clocks.
     
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Unless AMD copies or licenses this technology, it doesn't look good for them seeing as they're not even at 28nm yet and Intel will be at 22nm only a couple months after. I don't see why Intel has to hold back because AMD is so far behind. It could be like the smartphone market, where one company had ~70% of the market before Apple and Google came on board.

Makes me wonder why AMD's CEO and a bunch of other executives fled the (sinking?) ship so quickly a few months ago. Did they know this was coming down the road?
Who says they haven't been working on it too ? Don't forget that AMD has commercial connections with IBM, and they have been working on that same technology.

Besides, it's not 28nm like you said, it's 32nm. But even at 32nm, there is still a lot of room to grow. AMD won't be facing any problems yet.

Remember how Intel used 45nm - first the Core 2 Duos e Quads, then the Core i5 and 7. Intel is only now using 32nm to it's potential. Until now it was only Dual Cores i5 and very expensive i7 Hexa Cores.

Since AMD will be getting 32nm in a month's time, I bet AMD will be competitive this year, and probably the next, on 32nm. Meanwhile they have time to test the new tech.

The smartphone market is not quite the same thing, as there were always a lot more phone (the smartphone being a natural evolution) manufacturers and there is competition. In the x86 business you only have 3, and one of them doesn't really count (VIA), so there is a lack of competition in this area.

How do you get competition in the desktop market if Intel holds the rights to x86 ? They won't produce much faster chips, believe me. They have no reason to. As long as AMD is there, catching up, they are safeguarded against monopoly lawsuits which might force them to open up the x86 license program. That would be terrible for them.

In fact, there is so much competition on the phone market that everything is still up for grabs - the CPU/GPU portion is being made by several companies - including Nvidia, Qualcomm, Samsung, and even Intel and AMD will be entering the market with the x86 architecture. Also in the OS space there are lots of options - RIM, iOS, Symbian (going out), Android, WP7. So, it's two very different markets.
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Who says they haven't been working on it too ? Don't forget that AMD has commercial connections with IBM, and they have been working on that same technology.

Besides, it's not 28nm like you said, it's 32nm. But even at 32nm, there is still a lot of room to grow. AMD won't be facing any problems yet.

Remember how Intel used 45nm - first the Core 2 Duos e Quads, then the Core i5 and 7. Intel is only now using 32nm to it's potential. Until now it was only Dual Cores i5 and very expensive i7 Hexa Cores.

Since AMD will be getting 32nm in a month's time, I bet AMD will be competitive this year, and probably the next, on 32nm. Meanwhile they have time to test the new tech.

The smartphone market is not quite the same thing, as there were always a lot more phone (the smartphone being a natural evolution) manufacturers and there is competition. In the x86 business you only have 3, and one of them doesn't really count (VIA), so there is a lack of competition in this area.

How do you get competition in the desktop market if Intel holds the rights to x86 ? They won't produce much faster chips, believe me. They have no reason to. As long as AMD is there, catching up, they are safeguarded against monopoly lawsuits which might force them to open up the x86 license program. That would be terrible for them.

In fact, there is so much competition on the phone market that everything is still up for grabs - the CPU/GPU portion is being made by several companies - including Nvidia, Qualcomm, Samsung, and even Intel and AMD will be entering the market with the x86 architecture. Also in the OS space there are lots of options - RIM, iOS, Symbian (going out), Android, WP7. So, it's two very different markets.
Ah, yes, I confused CPU with GPU nm. Anyways, back in the old Pentium, P2 and P3 days, AMD hardly had any market-share and no one was crying Monopoly foul on Intel. Intel was down in the dumps during their Pentium-D days and that sure helped AMD gain market-share. In 10 years, desktop marketshare might mean less, while tablet/phone marketshare will be where the real money is. If AMD drops off the desktop platform(which would still be bad for consumers), they will still have plenty of integrated graphics/smartphone opportunities to continue existing.
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