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if you only watch 2 movies a month on netflix its not even worth the subscription I bet when your not home those ppl that live in ur house watch more than once or twice a month. yes yes their protecting their investment lol..... funny how comcast, verizon, cox and every other major isp can afford internet at least 2x faster for the same cost if not less with more data.... At&T is one of the richest companies in the world im sure they could do better but they want more profit not more performance. I guess you dont care if you have crappy net at a expensive price your a consumer siding with companies only hurts you in the long run. Not gonna waste my time trying to convince you when people have proven its better and cheaper and faster with other companies.
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Originally Posted by floatingDivs View Post
Regardless, as long as the cap is within realistic limits (100GB or more), you should be fine. It's greediness that leads to restrictions like this. Do you really deserve unlimited internet for a paltry $50?
realistic for you and realistic for someone else are different.
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if you only watch 2 movies a month on netflix its not even worth the subscription I bet when your not home those ppl that live in ur house watch more than once or twice a month. yes yes their protecting their investment lol..... funny how comcast, verizon, cox and every other major isp can afford internet at least 2x faster for the same cost if not less with more data.... At&T is one of the richest companies in the world im sure they could do better but they want more profit not more performance. I guess you dont care if you have crappy net at a expensive price your a consumer siding with companies only hurts you in the long run. Not gonna waste my time trying to convince you when people have proven its better and cheaper and faster with other companies.
That's the thing every single one of you has ignored though. Why are people sticking with AT&T despite these "limits"? Because it's good enough PERIOD.
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I'm all for ISPs charging whatever they can get away with.

I still spit on the fools who allow them to get away with charging 50 cents a GB. If you have a problem with the service, it's in your best interest to abandon it. The only way to force these companies to get more competitive is to stop paying whatever they ask for the meager services they provide.

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but doesn't that tell you that you're spending too much time on the computer? Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Hell, I'm a programmer and I'm on the computer AT MOST two hours a day. I don't bother with video games much (outside of Black Ops [greatest game ever!]) and I don't watch TV outside of a couple shows weekly. I do spend an inordinate amount of time in the gym, running, cycling, playing basketball, and doing other activities that allow me to leave the Cheetos & Mountain Dew infested desk (that I'm sure you have).
So, you are essentially stating that your lifestyle is unequivocally superior to someone who needs more bandwidth than you, and therefore is no worthwhile rationale for wanting more, or criticizing the value of AT&T's service?

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Originally Posted by floatingDivs View Post
If you aren't a customer AT&T, why are you even in this thread?
This thread has relevance to wider industry trends.

The fastest internet connection I ever had, I had 10 years ago. Since then bandwidth and transfer caps have become almost omnipresent, completely stagnating the industry.

Form year 2000 to 2011 I went from a completely uncapped connection (effectively 40Mb down, 10Mb up) to 8/384k, to 12/512k, to 16/768k to 20/1, to 30/5, for pretty much the same price, adjusted for inflation (44-60 dollars a month). In the same time, sizes of hard drives, files, games, ect has increased more than an order of magnitude. Bandwidth just has not come close to keeping up.
Edited by Blameless - 5/11/11 at 4:19pm
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That's the thing every single one of you has ignored though. Why are people sticking with AT&T despite these "limits"? Because it's good enough PERIOD.
either they can't afford to pay the ETF fees, or the other companies in the area aren't so great or have their own issues. it's not 100% cut and dry.

you know what, i'm not trying to be rude but i'm not going to bother.

just like you like going to the gym and excersising etc, others like being on the internet. thats all i'll say
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Makes me wonder if people from at&t and apple and other companies pay to advertise/defend their companies on ocn and other forums. Otherwise i dont see how rational people can say such things.
Edited by dark14 - 5/11/11 at 4:31pm
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Makes me wonder if people from at&t and apple and other companies pay to advertise/defend their companies on ocn and other forums. Otherwise i dont see how rational people can say such things.
We've heard the people! They want more expensive SSD's!

To be honest, I don't have a problem with capping. I have a problem with soft caps where they just throttle you back if you are a bandwidth hog on any kind of plan that is advertised as "Unlimited".

"Unlimited", by nature should not be followed by an asterisk.
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Absurd statement of the year award.



I wouldn't pay 50 dollars a month for a capped connection.

What I "deserve" is irrelevant. What I'm willing to pay and what ISPs are willing to accept is all that matters. Cap my connection, I'm no longer your customer. That's it.

There are other ISPs that realize it costs a lot less than 50 bucks a month to support the 200GB to 1TB of bandwidth I'll use in that period of time.
Part in bold is true of any optional service, so you are correct, however you guys need to realize there is only so much bandwidth wireless companies are able to provide given the current architecture, number of wireless towers, bandwidth running to each tower, number of connections to a tower, etc. Unlimited bandwidth to every customer could require a lot of infrastructure that might not be in place. Now that's not to say that AT&T is completely innocent here, they might still be setting caps almost entirely to selectively restrict services or just to charge more money to customers.

200GB to 1TB per month to a wireless phone is pretty absurd unless you're a corporate user or something.
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Part in bold is true of any optional service, so you are correct, however you guys need to realize there is only so much bandwidth wireless companies are able to provide given the current architecture, number of wireless towers, bandwidth running to each tower, number of connections to a tower, etc. Unlimited bandwidth to every customer could require a lot of infrastructure that might not be in place. Now that's not to say that AT&T is completely innocent here, they might still be setting caps almost entirely to selectively restrict services or just to charge more money to customers.

200GB to 1TB per month to a wireless phone is pretty absurd unless you're a corporate user or something.
Lordikon FTW!

As for MushkinNick, smh...your business is partly "in business" because of AT&T and other internet companies. Without them, you wouldn't be working as a computer part salesman, but as something entirely different. Show some respect to the industry that allowed yours to succeed...*smh*

EDIT: Don't bother responding, I'm out for the night.
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Part in bold is true of any optional service, so you are correct, however you guys need to realize there is only so much bandwidth wireless companies are able to provide given the current architecture, number of wireless towers, bandwidth running to each tower, number of connections to a tower, etc. Unlimited bandwidth to every customer could require a lot of infrastructure that might not be in place. Now that's not to say that AT&T is completely innocent here, they might still be setting caps almost entirely to selectively restrict services or just to charge more money to customers.

200GB to 1TB per month to a wireless phone is pretty absurd unless you're a corporate user or something.
We are talking about landlines, not wireless.
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