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what Quarter are they realesing the 22 nm? 2011 Q4?
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Originally Posted by QSS-5 View Post
what Quarter are they realesing the 22 nm? 2011 Q4?
From what I have read:

Shipping to OEM's / retailers Q4 2011
Retailers selling to end users directly: Q1 2012

Basically a mirror of the Sandy Bridge release schedule.



I presume that AMD has a similar technology they have also been working on for 9 years . . . . . . right? (For the sake of competition I hope so!)
Edited by AtomicFrost - 5/5/11 at 3:06am
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I was thinking that Ivy was just a die shrink (you know tick, tock), well I guess I should be doubly happy due to bulldozer just getting it's launch date and now just a few days later Ivy is going to be a new process, this must be the luckiest week we have had for a while.

Bring on the Dozer
Bring on the Ivy
Bring on the competition
Edited by Doom - 5/5/11 at 3:11am
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Intel is going to beast SSDs, CPUs, and possibly graphics with this. I wish I had money to put into Intel stock.
The graphics is just hard to imagine unless they can go down to a .5 nm die for the whole CPU or just make their own dedicated GPU. They'll eventually move to quad gate or more, as long as the gates aren't smaller than 0.5nm. That's about the size of an atom.
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I presume that AMD has a similar technology they have also been working on for 9 years . . . . . . right? (For the sake of competition I hope so!)
That doesn't involve throwing in more cores, so if I had to guess.. nope. Maybe the better question is, can those ATi engineers help with AMD's CPU R&D at all ? Stuck with BD-like architecture for the next 3 years, with maybe 1 die shrink a year late if AMD is keeping up with its schedule.


I might as well get SB at this point, and upgrade to Ivy Bridge or Rockwell in a couple years. Not that Bulldozer won't be competitive(it will), but there's no way AMD will be close in performance:watt(or per $) when IB releases.
Edited by jrbroad77 - 5/5/11 at 5:02am
 
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That doesn't involve throwing in more cores, so if I had to guess.. nope. Maybe the better question is, can those ATi engineers help with AMD's CPU R&D at all ? Stuck with BD-like architecture for the next 3 years, with maybe 1 die shrink a year late if AMD is keeping up with its schedule.


I might as well get SB at this point, and upgrade to Ivy Bridge or Rockwell in a couple years. Not that Bulldozer won't be competitive(it will), but there's no way AMD will be close in performance:watt(or per $) when IB releases.
Exactly. AMD really needs to pull a rabbit out of their fabrication facility.

What AMD needs to do now is release details about their answer to Intel's 3D transistors. Worst case scenario: AMD is 1 - 2 . . . 3 years behind Intel in bringing their "next generation" of transistor technology to market. At which point Intel will be at either 14nm or even 10nm.

Before someone says "AMD must be close to this technology" remember, Intel has stated that they have been working on this since before 2002. Intel didn't just have to think up the idea, they had to come up with a way to manufacture them on a commercial scale. I presume that Intel has patented 3D transistors.
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post #67 of 82
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Exactly. AMD really needs to pull a rabbit out of their fabrication facility.

What AMD needs to do now is release details about their answer to Intel's 3D transistors. Worst case scenario: AMD is 1 - 2 . . . 3 years behind Intel in bringing their "next generation" of transistor technology to market. At which point Intel will be at either 14nm or even 10nm.

Before someone says "AMD must be close to this technology" remember, Intel has stated that they have been working on this since before 2002. Intel didn't just have to think up the idea, they had to come up with a way to manufacture them on a commercial scale. I presume that Intel has patented 3D transistors.
AMD historically has been 12-18 months behind Intel in fabrication shrinks.

This technology concept has been around for a long time so it is not a new idea. Bringing it to mass market is the trick. AMD and IBM have probably been working on the concept almost as long.
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AMD historically has been 12-18 months behind Intel in fabrication shrinks.

This technology concept has been around for a long time so it is not a new idea. Bringing it to mass market is the trick. AMD and IBM have probably been working on the concept almost as long.
Looks like AMD is behind again: "3D Transistors? We Don't Need 'Em, AMD's Foundry Says"

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"We and our development partners have longstanding programs to evaluate options for next-generation transistors, including non-planar structures, and we don't see the need for these technologies until beyond the 22/20nm generation," Globalfoundries said in a statement.
AKA:

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We believe foundries are working on similar technology but remain 18-24 months behind Intel's ability to bring the technology to market (expect attempts at 14nm)," Doug Freedman, an analyst with Gleacher & Co., wrote in a research note.

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So what will the 10nm processor be called? Kudzu Bridge? It will take over your system and choke it to death, just like the real kudzu.

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OMG Bulldozer got bulldozed (What a silly name BTW)
I'm not anti-AMD but I've always wanted to say this:

"Bulldozer: Giving Bull** to people, one doze at a time"
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