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Hi All,

Looking for a little help getting the best out of this assortment of "Stuff"!
I'm the worst kind of overclocker, one who thinks he knows what he's doing but finds out that I don't have a clue!

I bought this cheap system thinking I could play Flight Sim X at an acceptable display setting. BTW, if you really want to torture your worst enemy, make him build a system that runs FSX without any problems!

Anyway, this system consisted of the mobo I have now, an AMD athlon 640 quad core CPU, ATI 5450 graphics card and 4gb (2x2) ADATA ddr3 1333 9-9-9-24 Memory.

Needless to say, FSX ate this setup alive! LOW fps, OOM errors, etc.

First, I changed the graphics card based exclusively on what amount of cash I had on me! Upgraded to ATI HD 5750 (not a huge upgrade!)

Then, I replaced my 4 gigs of mem to the current 8 gigs I have now. This fixed my OOM issues but performance was still bad, 10-14 fps w/medium settings in urban areas.

As is stated on most of the forums regarding Flight Sims, most people state that FSX is more about processing power than graphics, so I bought my current CPU, the Phenom 1090t.

Right away, I noticed that at stock settings the 1090t had no measurable benefit in increased fps and overall appearance of FSX. In Fact the default settings of FSX were actually Lower across the board than with my athlon 640 with a very mild overclock to 3.3 ghz.

All I want to do is to overclock enough to a point where I can at least feel I haven't wasted all this money on a system that was running just as it was before!

As I've read a number of topics regarding overclocking this CPU, I've discovered that my board has a fixed HT link at 1000mhz, only adjustable by adjusting the bus speed. Not optimal with my new CPU!

I'm running at 3.6 ghz right now with only an adjustment to the multiplier. This is as high as my system will run without causing issues with FSX (CTD, BSOD). I can up the multiplier to give me 3.7 ghz and the system runs stable enough in Pime95 but FSX crashes about an hour into running. Any higher than that I start getting BSOD regardless of running FSX or not.

I posted my CPUID seetings below! Any direction on how to get the most out of the setup would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
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post #2 of 39
Have you changed anything in the bios?
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post #3 of 39
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I've disabled Cool&Quiet, Turbo and set the multiplier from auto to manual and set it at 17.5

I've tried overclocking this cpu while following direction from other members' posts, but cannot seem to get it any higher than what I've got it at now, 3.6 ghz.
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post #4 of 39
What resolution are you at? It could be your GPU--the 5750 is kinda gimpy.

Edit: Nevermind, I see your signature.
    
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post #5 of 39
Ok I took at good look at your system and there are going to be alot of things that are going to hold you back on OC.

For one you are using slow ram.Getting a kit at 1600 MHz would be a +
2nd you are using a stock cooler on your cpu thus the 60 deg load temp
3rd your MB is a 4+2 phase which is going to be a problem if you want to increase the voltage to the cpu in a safe range.You would need to put some ENZOTECH MOS-C1 heatsinks on Mosfets too lower the heat on them and protect them from death.

If I have to say with that MB OC may not be a good idea just my 2 cents.
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I agree about the MB being an issue and I'm willing to get a new one. I just don't want to spend any more than I have to. Any recommendations on specs, obviously other than what is compatible with my current CPU. And, yes I might as well get an upgraded cooler for the CPU.
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Hard DriveOptical DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate Backup Plus 1TB USB 3.0 LITE-ON 24X DVD/CD LITE-ON 24X DVD/CD 5,000 BTU AC & NH-D14 Summer 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
80 CFM Fan In Window With 90 Deg Vent Winter Windows 7 Ultimate SP 1 x64 Asus VE245 1080P Razer Lycosa Mirror Edition 
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G Skill Sniper 8 Gigs 1600 MHz Crucial M4 64GB SATA III  Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200 RPM Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200 RPM  
Hard DriveOptical DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate Backup Plus 1TB USB 3.0 LITE-ON 24X DVD/CD LITE-ON 24X DVD/CD 5,000 BTU AC & NH-D14 Summer 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
80 CFM Fan In Window With 90 Deg Vent Winter Windows 7 Ultimate SP 1 x64 Asus VE245 1080P Razer Lycosa Mirror Edition 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
1200 Watt Antec True Power Quattro Corsair 800D 8 Fans Full Blast Razer Abyssus Razer Vespula 
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Quote:
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MicroATX? How come?
    
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post #9 of 39
I agree MB is a big issue for your system. Don't go MATX though, they are proven to be hopeless at overclocking. It's a shame to hear about the money you have spent, but it looks like to OC you are going to have to spend more, and again, with a game like FSX you are not guaranteed of seeing any dramatic improvements.

With a new MB (and an OC) I think you would see playable framerates though (30fps).

Also, arent 5750's overclocking beasts? You should ask around in the GPU section about OC'ing that card I think you should get really good results.
post #10 of 39
Try this instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131402
    
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