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They knew what needed to be done in order to get the measurements. They simply needed to technology to make it happen. Like creating a sphere of quartz that is perfectly spherical to the accuracy of the thickness of 40 atoms.
Your response does nothing to rebuke my statement. Nice try .
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Your response does nothing to rebuke my statement. Nice try .
I don't know why he'd try and admonish your statement. That'd be silly. As for rebutting your statement I don't think he was doing that either.

Sadly, I agree that many scientific experiments designed to prove the math behind something that we already believe to exist can be skewed by bias. However, what Exidous seemed to be saying is that there just wasn't the ability to even begin to measure this type of thing in the past, even if we had some of the knowhow as to how to measure it.

It's like proving that breaking the sound barrier won't make a man disintegrate: you already know how to do the experiment... you go faster than the sound barrier and see what happens. It took until the '70's, though, before that could be accomplished due to technological limitations.
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I don't know why he'd try and admonish your statement. That'd be silly. As for rebutting your statement I don't think he was doing that either.

Sadly, I agree that many scientific experiments designed to prove the math behind something that we already believe to exist can be skewed by bias. However, what Exidous seemed to be saying is that there just wasn't the ability to even begin to measure this type of thing in the past, even if we had some of the knowhow as to how to measure it.

It's like proving that breaking the sound barrier won't make a man disintegrate: you already know how to do the experiment... you go faster than the sound barrier and see what happens. It took until the '70's, though, before that could be accomplished due to technological limitations.
Good point, and nice catch on my improper usage of "rebuke".

I'll accept the results from this experiment after they are able to successfully take measurements from multiple celestial bodies within our particular solar system .
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I hate to be the voice of pessimism here, but I wonder sometimes if these results are born from a technology that's designed to "find" the assumed results. I'm not arguing against the theories of Einstein, or against these results even. Just can't help wondering how they go about developing tech to find objective results sometimes.
Any technology, sufficiently advanced, would appear to the uninformed mind indistinguishable from magic.




In other words, you don't know enough to be calling B.S. No offense. Unless, of course, you have at least a doctorate in physics. In which case I will offer sincere mea culpas.
Edited by Mjolnir - 5/4/11 at 7:45pm
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We could have reserved some of that genius genes from Einstein maybe now we could have created a wormhole?
    
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Any technology, sufficiently advanced, would appear to the uninformed mind indistinguishable from magic.
Not sure if you're attempting an insult here. Actually I'm pretty sure you are. Regardless, my point stands. I'm simply, in some situations, wondering if we are truly capable of finding the results that tell the true story of whats really making the Universe "tick", or in some circumstances finding results we are looking for by developing tools that can only detect the results we tell it to find for us. A bit philosophical I know, sorry bout that .
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Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
Any technology, sufficiently advanced, would appear to the uninformed mind indistinguishable from magic.




In other words, you don't know enough to be calling B.S. No offense. Unless, of course, you have at least a doctorate in physics. In which case I will offer sincere mea culpas.
I think (mis)quoting Arthur C Clark makes this a losing argument already. (sarcasm, i swear)

Again, I agree with the point he makes that some experiments are designed (whether on purpose or not) to find out what we already think we know. You don't need to have a doctorate to be a skeptic, and skepticism is good from time to time; especially with things that ARE over the majority of our heads. Making science the new religion, and scientists the new infallible priests is never a good idea. When that happens, people like Al Gore get a Nobel Prize...
Edited by The Llama - 5/4/11 at 8:25pm
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Source: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...11/04may_epic/

Simply astonishing that they can actually prove this kind of stuff. More astonishing that the brilliance of Einstein still shines through.

Apologies for repost etc.
First off: They proved this years ago with an even cooler experiment. They basically took a picture during an eclipse and it was directed towards the side of the sun. The picture included a star, that star's path to earth was blocked by the sun because it was in the middle of the path. It was "hidden" behind the sun but we could see it clearly with our telescopes. Why? Because some of the light waves were distorted around the sun enough to arrive at earth.

Secondly:

Einstein was smart, but he didn't invent special/general relativity, he was just the first one of quantify and predict it.

So basically, this experiment didn't really prove anything. It just sounded real cool though.

The main significance of this experiment is the actual accuracy of the results. To get results to that many significant figures on that scale is simply difficult.
    
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First off: They proved this years ago with an even cooler experiment. They basically took a picture during an eclipse and it was directed towards the side of the sun. The picture included a star, that star's path to earth was blocked by the sun because it was in the middle of the path. It was "hidden" behind the sun but we could see it clearly with our telescopes. Why? Because some of the light waves were distorted around the sun enough to arrive at earth.

Secondly:

Einstein was smart, but he didn't invent special/general relativity, he was just the first one of quantify and predict it.

So basically, this experiment didn't really prove anything. It just sounded real cool though.

The main significance of this experiment is the actual accuracy of the results. To get results to that many significant figures on that scale is simply difficult.
The experiment you're talking about proved that gravity bends light. This experiment proves that a large, rotating body in space actually distorts space-time. Totally different.
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I hate to be the voice of pessimism here, but I wonder sometimes if these results are born from a technology that's designed to "find" the assumed results. I'm not arguing against the theories of Einstein, or against these results even. Just can't help wondering how they go about developing tech to find objective results sometimes.
They just do a lot of coke.
Photons are massless yet operate at the speed of light. Light is particle/wave. If it's that fast then it's stretched out all over a huge area. It can't be massless you just can't get it sit still long enough weigh it. It's like take an entire ball of yarn and laying 2 inches of it on a scale and saying it doesn't weight much.

What you are presently experiencing in the collective concious is called battleship moments. The entire collective is about to die and be reborn because it isn't working. So you will have people declaring victory in an attempt to pass through the death to rebirth faze on the same path they were going. It's like when geoge bush went to iraq and declared victory and got a shoe thrown at him.

It's like I said on several threads. North Korea says they did cold fusion or something and nobody believes them. Some guys with toys in a lab somewhere inside the US says same things and it's believed. It's all credibility and believability right now. Tests for where the next con comes from.

So you can expect a real flurry of these we finally did it events. I expect to see literally about a 100 discoveries that could create some sort of alternate universe and paves a path forward. Cause really nobody likes building big giant multi billion dollar research thingies and not having one clue they didn't have before.

Note the name in the thread. Epic. Not a normal experiment an EPIC one. One step closer to teleporters. Big break through in creating neural fibers.It'll just keep gushing at us in a flurry of battleship moments. Because well they were close to figuring it out already.
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