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"Binning" is not really testing the chip to its full potential.

They just set a default volt, for example like 1.025v, and check how high the GPU can reach.
It it reach to clock X or higher, and thats their definition of a "super-duper-aswome-overclock", they will put that chip in a special edition.

But that doesn't mean that you can't get a golden chip in a normal reference card, as out of thousands of chips, they don't test each and every one, at least on the first few months when they are in a rush to put out cards as soon as possible.

This is what I was told is being done by an ASUS rep, on how they decide to put a chip on the DCII for example.
After the first rush, they test a selective amount of chips from each batch, and if they are better at certain volt, they will be put in a special edition after testing a larger part of that batch.
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Let's say a certain card maker has 10,000 cards. He takes 1000 out of these 10,000 cards and tests them with a higher clocking (higher than Nvidia/AMD's reference) for stability. Say, 30% (this figure is an imaginary figure) passes while 70% does not. The card maker then markets these 300 cards as their OC/SOC versions. This process can be considered as 'binning' even though the card maker does not test every one of the 10,000 cards.
If this definition is accepted as binning, then almost all card makers have various degree of binning.

While it is true that the ultimate overclockability of those 9,000 cards could be higher than those 300 factory overclocked cards, but those 300 cards do have an advantage of having a higher starting point. And of course, there is a chance of you buying one of those 700 cards (marketed as regular version) mingled with the other 9,000 cards.
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Originally Posted by Sir Overkill View Post
Well it's not a myth I know that but what you said is untrue, because any chip wether its a standard or OC version can reach the OC's they do on OC cards.

At the moment it looks like a no, but I have been told by a Solid source that EVGA does bin, Dont get me wrong I know I have a EVGA SC card but im not really that happy with it and would have rathered a Asus. I was told that EVGA bins their GPU's, which is why I got it.

Thanks, Sir Overkill.
Uh, no it's not untrue. You missed my edit which better clarifies what I meant. (although it's not really needed)

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Here's the first definition that popped up on Google for 'overclock': Overclocking is the process of running a computer component at a higher clock rate (more clock cycles per second) than it was designed for or was specified by the manufacturer
As I said, without binning there would be no specified speed or standard to the chips. If you cannot guarantee your chips will run at a certain speed because you didn't bin them, then you CANNOT market them as such.

With that clarified, you cannot 'overclock' something past it's "clock rate that it was designed for or was specified by the manufacturer" as there wouldn't be one.

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Well technically, aren't the higher performance cards in a series binned with all features enabled and the lower performance cards were binned lower with stuff disabled?
This is pretty much what binning is these days.

They find the best chips that work with all shader cores etc. And then those that have a few "fail" or need stupid voltage to work are classed as the next model down.

e.g GTX465 are essentially crippled 470's

The overclocked and superclocked cards are not binned. They are just cards with an extra 25MHz or so (which pretty much any chip can get) and an "overclocked Edition" sticker slapped on the box

That is my understanding anyway

Binning does not really exist as much as it is a matter of defining which chips are the stronger ones to be the higher performaing card (eg. GTX470) and which are the weaker ones which are nerfd and branded as the lower range card (eg. GTX465)
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Binning does not really exist as much as it is a matter of defining which chips are the stronger ones to be the higher performaing card (eg. GTX470) and which are the weaker ones which are nerfd and branded as the lower range card (eg. GTX465)
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binning: Group together (data) in bins
Unless you have something other than the true definition, that's exactly what binning is. To say it doesn't exist is pretty ridiculous. Not to mention GTX480 share the GTX400 core so I kinda chuckled at your examples.
    
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I suppose it depends on what one's definition of the term 'binning' is as to whether or not it's really a myth.

Windfire's explanation makes sense to me, and while that's certainly a form of binning, it's not really what most people seem to be thinking of when they talking about binning on OCN.

Frankly, I don't think that the kind of binning that we talk about around here happens all that much. It's too much effort/hassle/cost for the brands, w/o much tangible profit involved in doing it.

But I will say ... My 465's aren't 'nerfed' 470's in any way, shape, or form. They actually OC better than the average 470 ... been running 785 core at 1.037 lately, no problem. Many 'real' 470's won't do that.
    
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Gainward with their 'Golden samples' apparently
post #19 of 34
For current cards, the only ones that MIGHT be binned are the asus CUII cards, matrix series, MSI lightning cards, and some gigabyte SOC cards.

Besides that, reference cards aren't binned except for slapping a new bios on them
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I know that quite a few people including myself couldn't OC the Asus 570 DCII that much... but my MSI is a monster.

I'm pretty sure MSI bins their stuff, but who knows. The only people on these forums with the MSI 570 TFIII have all had success as far as I know.
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