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Binning at EVGA.
1. Picks random card
2. Loads custom bios that increases stock speeds.
3. Test
4. Slaps SC label
5. ????
6. profit
post #22 of 34
When you get 2 GPU's such as the GTX 470 and 480 that are the same chip, the 480 is the "bin". Also the best of the bin are picked out of the bunch of bins for a best possible bin for the OC editions. (Usually)
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Here's what I think (roughly) typically happens ... at least amongst the companies that actually MAKE some of their cards, like GB, MSI, Asus, and Galaxy ... as opposed to just being a re-branding company like evga or xfx.

Say you're Gigabyte, and you receive 10,000 GF114 cores, and your marketing people tell you that you should make 2,000 of them into the SoC models, based on sales projections and such.

Now, I believe GB probably has some testing tool(s) that can determine, within a reasonable margin, which chips are likely to be able to hit some number of MHz, without actually building the cards. Seems to me that they'd have to have some way of doing this.

So, I believe what they'd do is randomly test the chips, and the first 2,000 they find that pass the tests, such that they appear likely to support the SoC clocks ... those would go onto the SoC PCB's (with their upgraded components), and become the required 2000 SoC 1GHz cards.

Now, speaking to this specific case: since the SoC is really quite a high OC'd card relative to reference, and GB has to decide which chips they're going to use prior to building the cards since it's an upgraded component/non-reference PCB, there's no doubt that once these cards are actually put together, the initial estimates of which chips will actually do 1GHz ... will turn out to be 'wrong' in some cases.

Ergo, a new SKU comes into existence, that of a 2nd SoC model that only runs at 950MHz.

Now, certainly this is a form of binning, but it's not the binning that people around OCN are talking about.

The binning process that we would all be hoping for is that they'd test all 10,000 chips, figure out the 'Top 2000' in terms of the chips able to reach the very highest clocks at the lowest possible voltages, and then turn those into their top o' the line SoC cards.

Personally, I doubt that a binning process like the one that we would hope for happens very often, if at all. You're talking about a bunch of extra expense/work, and probably much more sophisticated testing equipment ... w/o a clear-cut benefit from doing so.

I mean, I suppose you'd have the 'geek' crowd amongst your employees that would be like "Yeah, binning the best of the best for the SoC model makes sense because the enthusiast community is going to 'notice' that the SoC is not only the fastest OOB, but that they also are capable of the highest overall OC's on top of that! Then they'll spread the word that these are reliably the best OC'ers overall, and then these cards will fly off the shelves!!!"

And then the people who're actually in charge of these things will look at the increased costs/lowered profits involved and go "Yeah ... no. Our marketing people have told us we'll sell out all 2000 anyways ... sorry, not worth it"
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Definitely Gigabyte with the SOC series.

I have yet to see "normal" GTX 470s reach a 25% OC without increasing the stock voltage.
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I have 2 EVGA 470's 1 is stock and 1 is just sc version not the FTW one. Now the stock card has a higher stock vid 1050 vs 950. At max voltage in afterburner without any bios changes or modded ini files of 1087 the SC card will do 918 core but the stock wont pass 825 on 266.58 drivers. This is as high as I could run each card in vantage without the drivers crashing. Coincidence, I dont know as these are the first cards I have had to try sli or even compare head to head. I believe it was a 15 dollar price difference at the time, and I would pay the difference if I am going to get a performance gain. Just my 2 cents!!! results may vary !!!

how do I put that in super tiny font?? kiddin LoL

Wulfgar whats your stock voltage? cause I am folding on these above cards @750/1500/1725 voltage of 1025 and yes thats oc'n the stock card under it's stock vid
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I have 2 EVGA 470's 1 is stock and 1 is just sc version not the FTW one. Now the stock card has a higher stock vid 1050 vs 950. At max voltage in afterburner without any bios changes or modded ini files of 1087 the SC card will do 918 core but the stock wont pass 825 on 266.58 drivers. This is as high as I could run each card in vantage without the drivers crashing. Coincidence, I dont know as these are the first cards I have had to try sli or even compare head to head. I believe it was a 15 dollar price difference at the time, and I would pay the difference if I am going to get a performance gain. Just my 2 cents!!! results may vary !!!

how do I put that in super tiny font?? kiddin LoL

Wulfgar whats your stock voltage? cause I am folding on these above cards @750/1500/1725 voltage of 1025 and yes thats oc'n the stock card under it's stock vid
Thats just luck, I have seen it the other way around. I have had it the other way around.

I am sickened by this binning situation!

Thanks, Sir Overkill.
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Thats just luck, I have seen it the other way around. I have had it the other way around.

I am sickened by this binning situation!

Thanks, Sir Overkill.
Why don't you try to actually participate in the thread when you ask a question especially if you're going to just keep telling everyone that they're wrong while not backing statements up.

The post you quoted actually brings up another valid point, if there were no binning process, why do VIDs differ? How would we know that one card needs more voltage than another card without testing it? It'd be stupid not to bin if you already had to test them.
    
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Why don't you try to actually participate in the thread when you ask a question especially if you're going to just keep telling everyone that they're wrong while not backing statements up.

The post you quoted actually brings up another valid point, if there were no binning process, why do VIDs differ? How would we know that one card needs more voltage than another card without testing it? It'd be stupid not to bin if you already had to test them.
I believe that the stock VID is set at the chip fab and written into the chip itself, which means it's done before the chip reaches Asus, GB, MSI, etc. So with Fermi cards I suppose there's a simple binning process they could deploy wherein they assume lower VID = better chip. But I think stock VID is still really just an estimation of how 'good' each chip is really going to turn out to be once it's actually put onto a card and overclocked ...

Maybe someone could ask MSIAlex on the the "Ask Me Anythign Nvidia-Related" thread he started a ways back
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how do I put that in super tiny font?? kiddin LoL

Wulfgar whats your stock voltage? cause I am folding on these above cards @750/1500/1725 voltage of 1025 and yes thats oc'n the stock card under it's stock vid
962, might be stable at more than 750MHz but I haven't tried it lol
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