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hmm, what codec only utilizes cpu these days jw? id love to use sandy btw but im building a mini itx htpc
You do realize there are a bunch of Sandy Bridge Mini-ITX motherboards available starting from around $70-80, right? The only thing that's missing are inexpensive SB processors. Should be fixed when Intel releases the Pentium's later this month (G620, $64 1Ku). AMD still has better driver support, though, so I'm trying to wait patiently for Llano before building my next HTPC. I already have the rest of the parts picked out (Silverstone Sugo SG-05 or Antec ISK-310-150, OCZ Vertex 2 50/60GB, WD Caviar Green 2TB or WD Scorpio Blue 500GB, 2x2GB DDR3).

As for what Zacate has difficulty playing, I answered that in an earlier post:
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Right now? Netflix 720p. Anything that breaks or doesn't support DXVA (RMVB, VobSub when using WMC internal player, non-compliant H.264 video, high bitrate 1080p60 H.264 from some HD camcorders, etc).
Another thing, even if H.264 hardware acceleration is enabled and working, there are some high bitrate 1080p60 H.264 streams that are just too much to handle without some help from the CPU.

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I'd be making my own. Buying OEM then buying an Enclosure.
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Comparable (but cheaper) than the HVR-2250 is the Asus MyCinema EHD3-100
    
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Comparable (but cheaper) than the HVR-2250 is the Asus MyCinema EHD3-100
Ooh, me like the remote on this one. I've already got a bunch of HDHomeRun's, though. Now all I'm waiting for is the CableCARD-ready HDHomeRun Prime.
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Ooh, me like the remote on this one. I've already got a bunch of HDHomeRun's, though. Now all I'm waiting for is the CableCARD-ready HDHomeRun Prime.
Yeah, I'd love me one of those too, but I'm starting to get the feeling that we'll be waiting forever.

BUT, Ceton's quad cablecard tuner has been available for a while now.
    
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Yeah, I'd love me one of those too, but I'm starting to get the feeling that we'll be waiting forever.

BUT, Ceton's quad cablecard tuner has been available for a while now.
HDHomeRun Prime just passed CableLabs certification. Amazon was a bit too trigger-happy on making pre-orders available but I have no doubt we'll be seeing them available for pre-order within a month or two. Hopefully, the HDHomeRun Prime won't face supply issues like the Ceton. Besides, at $250 for the 3-tuner Prime (potentially $450~500 for the 6-tuner version) vs $400 for the 4-tuner InfiniTV4, I know which one I'll be buying.

Another thing, tuner sharing on the Prime will probably be working right out of the gate instead of still being in beta with the Ceton.
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You do realize there are a bunch of Sandy Bridge Mini-ITX motherboards available starting from around $70-80, right? The only thing that's missing are inexpensive SB processors. Should be fixed when Intel releases the Pentium's later this month (G620, $64 1Ku). AMD still has better driver support, though, so I'm trying to wait patiently for Llano before building my next HTPC. I already have the rest of the parts picked out (Silverstone Sugo SG-05 or Antec ISK-310-150, OCZ Vertex 2 50/60GB, WD Caviar Green 2TB or WD Scorpio Blue 500GB, 2x2GB DDR3).

As for what Zacate has difficulty playing, I answered that in an earlier post:

Another thing, even if H.264 hardware acceleration is enabled and working, there are some high bitrate 1080p60 H.264 streams that are just too much to handle without some help from the CPU.


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so you're saying that most of the problems associated with the zacate is the trouble with streaming material, in specific netflix?
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so you're saying that most of the problems associated with the zacate is the trouble with streaming material, in specific netflix?
Not just. The Netflix issue should actually be solved soon. I've seen one complaint about CBS and NBC Flash content being choppy on Zacate, although I've never personally used those. Over-the-air gives so much better PQ than streaming.

However, there are other content and even specific player configurations that can cause issues with Zacate (or anything with a relatively slow CPU, really). One such issue I encountered was VC-1 (1:1 Harry Potter Blu-ray rip) in MKV container when using the internal player in Windows Media Center. Stupidly, the default WMVideo Decoder DMO that ships with Windows 7 doesn't support DXVA for VC-1. To think that VC-1 is based off of Microsoft's WMV 9. Another such issue was with my anime fansubs. With VobSub on autoload (breaks DXVA), I got severe stuttering and that's with just 720p H.264. Forget 1080p.

Zacate is great as long as the media you try to play can be offloaded to the GPU. Once you start requiring CPU power, your hands are tied. You would have to replace the MB/CPU. With a normal desktop build, it's possible to upgrade the CPU (not like you'd need to) or add a discrete graphics card to improve performance. With Zacate, even if it has a PCIe x16 slot, adding a discrete graphics card is useless since you're bottlenecked by the CPU.

It all boils down to use-case. If you know for sure that all the media you'll try to play can be GPU accelerated and the players and decoders you plan on using all use GPU acceleration, then Zacate's a pretty good option. For someone who's new to HTPC's and isn't quite familiar with what they might require, I wouldn't recommend Zacate or Atom. Having some spare CPU power helps make the move to HTPC's more seamless. It's not like end-users will even know about the CPU or whatever. You'll just get complaints such as "I can't play Harry Potter" or "Netflix is stuttering" or "Hulu is choppy".
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Not just. The Netflix issue should actually be solved soon. I've seen one complaint about CBS and NBC Flash content being choppy on Zacate, although I've never personally used those. Over-the-air gives so much better PQ than streaming.

However, there are other content and even specific player configurations that can cause issues with Zacate (or anything with a relatively slow CPU, really). One such issue I encountered was VC-1 (1:1 Harry Potter Blu-ray rip) in MKV container when using the internal player in Windows Media Center. Stupidly, the default WMVideo Decoder DMO that ships with Windows 7 doesn't support DXVA for VC-1. To think that VC-1 is based off of Microsoft's WMV 9. Another such issue was with my anime fansubs. With VobSub on autoload (breaks DXVA), I got severe stuttering and that's with just 720p H.264. Forget 1080p.

Zacate is great as long as the media you try to play can be offloaded to the GPU. Once you start requiring CPU power, your hands are tied. You would have to replace the MB/CPU. With a normal desktop build, it's possible to upgrade the CPU (not like you'd need to) or add a discrete graphics card to improve performance. With Zacate, even if it has a PCIe x16 slot, adding a discrete graphics card is useless since you're bottlenecked by the CPU.

It all boils down to use-case. If you know for sure that all the media you'll try to play can be GPU accelerated and the players and decoders you plan on using all use GPU acceleration, then Zacate's a pretty good option. For someone who's new to HTPC's and isn't quite familiar with what they might require, I wouldn't recommend Zacate or Atom. Having some spare CPU power helps make the move to HTPC's more seamless. It's not like end-users will even know about the CPU or whatever. You'll just get complaints such as "I can't play Harry Potter" or "Netflix is stuttering" or "Hulu is choppy".
hmm, would it help if xbmc's default player was used to play the media? from all the blu rayrips that ive played, they've been able to use dxva
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hmm, would it help if xbmc's default player was used to play the media? from all the blu rayrips that ive played, they've been able to use dxva
Straight Blu-ray rips should all be DXVA-compliant. Most of the hardware acceleration stuff was built around Blu-ray and HD-DVD specs so it stands to reason those will be supported as long as the player/decoder supports GPU decode acceleration.

The latest XBMC player supports DXVA. By the way, I think DXVA support was only added to XBMC last year. Prior to that, XBMC had pretty high CPU requirements for HD. I do believe VDPAU support in XBMC for Linux came before DXVA support for XBMC in Windows.

Again, it all boils down to two things:
1. Is the video DXVA-compliant?
2. Does the player/decoder support DXVA?

If the answer to both questions is yes on all the media/streams you might play, then Zacate should be a good fit. Answer no and it's possible you might experience some issues with Zacate.
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