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Which helps explain why AMD only has ~25% of the desktop market. When people are buying high performance desktops / servers they will tend to buy the fastest chip they can afford. Intel is also leading in the lower / mid end prebuilt computers mostly due to brand recognition. It will be interesting to see how much of a performance boost Ivy Bridge gains over Sandy Bridge with 3D transistor technology. This will be an interesting 2 years for the AMD / Intel battle for the desktop market.
no. amd and intel trade blows in the server market even tho they tend to be a generation behind in desktops. there is more to servers then winrar ane cine benches.


kewl, 3d tranistors allow hd content, games, and hosting webpages w graphics.

............. benefits right now?
Edited by Domino - 5/5/11 at 10:45am
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kewl, 3d tranistors allow hd content, games, and hosting webpages w graphics.

............. benefits right now?
Reduced heat and energy consumption....

Lower cost once yields increase.
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............. benefits right now?
It's Intel with 3d transistor tech. It is teh kewlest, 'cuz they says so.

Seriously, I don't see much benefit at 22nm because existing tech can reach that, when things get smaller it will have an advantage though.
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Ah. You made an assumption. Now, you should never make an assumption, because you'll be an 'ass' and the 'ump' will 'shun' you. - Coach
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Ah. You made an assumption. Now, you should never make an assumption, because you'll be an 'ass' and the 'ump' will 'shun' you. - Coach
Assuming, it makes an ass out of you and some guy named Ming.
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Well, if they don't "need" the 3D Transistors, okay NP. Personally, I think that
what the AMD foundry said was just unnecessary. It sounds a little jealously to me, too.
I don't think " they don't need them " they probably have other plans (that are worse than Intel's imo) and they want to go like " 3d transistors? ah nothing new under the sun bro, no need," but they know it is a really good technology.

Once again, Intel is on the top with the best and the newest on the upcoming market.
But this is not really anything new at all, they have been the leading company here for a long time, but I was just hoping that AMD will be able to compete Intel with their BD processors, but it seems like Intel are still going to be #1 for the next 3-4 years.
Anyways, this is OK to me. I prefer Intel and I am an Intel enthusiast, but .. in end ... NYAN CAT WINS. haha jk
    
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You have to remember the reason behind this new technology. They had to dump so much money into R&D for this because quantum tunneling would have literally ended moore's law. The transistor design simply did not work with a feature size below 16 or so nm.

As always, how those transistors interact with each other to make a system is the defining point of how "good" a processor is. Bulldozer already has a significantly denser amount of transistors per processor, so it remains to be seen how all the pieces fall into place.

A+ to Intel for really bringing out the next-gen transistor, but don't assume that this will have a significant consumer impact due solely to its existence.
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For those who are downplaying these 3D transistors, you may want to read this...

Why Intel's 22nm technology really matters
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/computers/...03?tag=nl.e550

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When you provide more than 80 percent of the world’s microprocessors, you don’t just roll the dice on a completely new technology. Like HKMG, tri-gates have been in the works for a long time. In 2002, Intel gave a presentation showing why tri-gates would be easier to manufacture than other fully-depleted such as the single-gate (planar) or double-gate (FinFET). In 2004, Intel showed tri-gates could improve electrostatics and extend transistors scaling for 32nm and beyond. And by 2006, the company was discussing how tri-gates could be combined with other key technologies such as HKMG and strained silicon to produce circuits with higher performance and lower power than planar transistors on the same node (65nm at the time).
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Intel Senior Fellow Mark Bohr said that Ivy Bridge will give Intel as much as a three-year head start versus its competition, but looking at all these factors you could argue the lead may be even greater in the next few years.
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You have to remember the reason behind this new technology. They had to dump so much money into R&D for this because quantum tunneling would have literally ended moore's law. The transistor design simply did not work with a feature size below 16 or so nm.

As always, how those transistors interact with each other to make a system is the defining point of how "good" a processor is. Bulldozer already has a significantly denser amount of transistors per processor, so it remains to be seen how all the pieces fall into place.

A+ to Intel for really bringing out the next-gen transistor, but don't assume that this will have a significant consumer impact due solely to its existence.
Transistor density doesn't matter in the least bit in these regards. Read the article, this is not about transistor density, it has to do with transistor efficiencies.

With Bulldozer supposedly coming out in 2Q 2011, and 3D transistor Ivy Bridge chips coming out 2H 2011, things are going to get very interesting, especially now that Intel has another big technology lead (22nm and 3D transistors)
    
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Transistor density doesn't matter in the least bit in these regards. Read the article, this is not about transistor density, it has to do with transistor efficiencies.

With Bulldozer supposedly coming out in 2Q 2011, and 3D transistor Ivy Bridge chips coming out 2H 2011, things are going to get very interesting, especially now that Intel has another big technology lead (22nm and 3D transistors)
Seconded. This is also where clock speed / ability to get to a certain clock speed without anything more than a stock cooler (hint hint) comes into play. An area, that I think, Intel will have a lead in. But again it all should be taken with a gran of silicon salt.

Besides, it was my understanding that AMD was free to go / has gone completely fabless. If some fab hits some breakthrough that means even more, we might be seeing AMD at their doorstep. It's only a good thing to have your own manufacturing facility(ies) if your own manufacturing facility is, truely, a good thing -- something Intel's is at the moment.
Edited by \(ao? a? c>Sa? )/ cutie pie - 5/5/11 at 1:15pm
    
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