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Ahhhh.... servers. You lose.

Memory really has not grown very much in 10 years. Frequency has double.... capacity has is 4-5 times greater....
In 10 years memory has gone from DDR (300 MT/s transfer rate) to DDR3 (1600MT/s rate). Thats a 5-6 increase in bandwidth on a stick per stick basis.

$50 gets you a 4GB stick these days. In 2001, $50 would have gotten you 128-256mb of DDR1, which is a 16-32x increase in capacity, not 4-5x.
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AMD has always been behind Intel in terms of technology and fabrications (right now they're just adopting threads and will in the future adopt 3 dimensional transistors) so this was expected. However, the upside to this is that they can sell these chips at an inexpensive price which is what AMD is known for to most people.
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Sooner the better, ASAP, Yesterday, Before we run out of silicone,

We will never run out of silicone because its made out of sand.
    
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...(right now they're just adopting threads ...
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AMD has always been behind Intel in terms of technology and fabrications (right now they're just adopting threads and will in the future adopt 3 dimensional transistors) so this was expected. However, the upside to this is that they can sell these chips at an inexpensive price which is what AMD is known for to most people.
There's so many things wrong with your post its almost not worth a reply.

AMD was well ahead of Intel in the Athlon64 days, and from the looks of it, Bulldozer will compete quite nicely with Sandy Bridge.

There are far too many questions about this 3d transistor tech. to say that it is worth it right now. I'm not going to follow your lead and make a blind fanboy statement, but right now there is no proof that it will have much, if any, performance gain on anything above 20nm.

Add in to that the price factor (It wasn't cheap for Intel to develop this.) and the fact that by the time you start to see real gains, a more important breakthrough might have occured, and it's plain to see that this might not be all that important.
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There's so many things wrong with your post its almost not worth a reply.

AMD was well ahead of Intel in the Athlon64 days, and from the looks of it, Bulldozer will compete quite nicely with Sandy Bridge.
AMD was always behind Intel in their fab processes. Intel consistently migrated to smaller transistors earlier than AMD did.
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AMD was always behind Intel in their fab processes. Intel consistently migrated to smaller transistors earlier than AMD did.
AMD was the first to have a 64 bit chip. Intel licensed the technology from them. I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

None of that matters now though because AMD is completely fabless. They partner with Globalfoundries, but they are free to buy wafers from anyone they want, including Intel if need be.
Edited by Damn_Smooth - 5/6/11 at 1:18pm
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AMD was the first to have a 64 bit chip. Intel licensed the technology from them. I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
No, you are wrong. He is right.

AMD developed x86-64... an expanded instruction set. This has absolutely nothing at all to do with fabrication technology. AMD/GlobalFoundries has been 12-24 months behind Intel in die shrinks for almost a decade.


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There are far too many questions about this 3d transistor tech. to say that it is worth it right now. I'm not going to follow your lead and make a blind fanboy statement, but right now there is no proof that it will have much, if any, performance gain on anything above 20nm.

Add in to that the price factor (It wasn't cheap for Intel to develop this.) and the fact that by the time you start to see real gains, a more important breakthrough might have occured, and it's plain to see that this might not be all that important.
Intel stated that TriGates manufacturing cost are 2-3% more while providing 37% more performance and 50% less power in active state.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4313/i...ing-in-2h-2011

R&D isn't cheap but everyone is spending the money on it. How do you think more important breakthroughs occur? ...by R&D money and time. Non-planar silicon has been an idea for decades now.
Edited by DuckieHo - 5/6/11 at 1:27pm
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I stand corrected then. Sorry for spreading my misinformation.

But now, we still have to say that everyone else is behind Intel. AMD no longer has a foundry.
Edited by Damn_Smooth - 5/6/11 at 1:27pm
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EDIT: Thanks duck
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