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Interesting stuff, so what would stop AMD from being able to utilize this technology today? Other than the fact that they apparently have no interest in it right now.

And since they are showing no interest in it right now, couldn't they possibly have something better up their sleeve?
The most likely reason is this. They are behind on their R&D. Intel stated that they have been working on 3D transistors since 2002. At release that's 10 years. Historically, Intel has had much deeper pockets when it comes to R&D.

Edit: Wow . . . me and 2010rig had very similar reply's at almost the exact same time.
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The most likely reason is this. They are behind on their R&D. Intel stated that they have been working on 3D transistors since 2002. At release that's 10 years. Historically, Intel has had much deeper pockets when it comes to R&D.

Edit: Wow . . . me and 2010rig had very similar reply's at almost the exact same time.
ha ha - the truth in this case is pretty obvious.
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Both the OP's link and the link that Duckie gave me said that this would show the biggest improvement for atom processors. How much of a real world effect do you think this will have for desktops?
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Both the OP's link and the link that Duckie gave me said that this would show the biggest improvement for atom processors. How much of a real world effect do you think this will have for desktops?
As stated, as much as 37% improvement, while using up to 50% less power over Sandy Bridge.

Have you read this by any chance? If not, give it a read.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/computers/...03?tag=nl.e550

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Intel said that the 22nm tri-gate transistor will deliver 37% better performance than the 32nm planar transistors used in Sandy Bridge chips–already the fastest by a wide margin. Alternatively, Intel can tune the tri-gate transistors to provide the same level of performance while using half the power of Sandy Bridge.

Edited by 2010rig - 5/6/11 at 2:53pm
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As stated, as much as 37% improvement, while using up to 50% less power over Sandy Bridge.

Have you read this by any chance? If not, give it a read.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/computers/...03?tag=nl.e550
Thanks for that, I hadn't read it.

It looks like my next build might be an Intel build if everything works out the way they say it is going to.

I was planning on waiting for the Enhanced Bulldozer chips to compare them with Ivy at the end of the year anyway.
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I don't think people case about moore's law for a while now.
It became more of an idea, a way to go forward.

I have been in an IBM convention awhile ago, and they said that going "smaller", at some point, won't be worth going, as chips will require more and more power as they grown in strength (in terms of business, 130w per CPU is quite a lot).
Also manufacturing the CPU cost more as they get smaller, and the manufacturing process gets less tolerant.

So new technology, either the 3D transistors, or what other technology will be required, is how to go, regardless if it makes it smaller for moore's law or not.

3D transistors should allow better performance even at the current manufacturing size.


Also, AMD will get quite a hit if intel will be able to block AMD from making same progress if they patent it well enough. Already AMD is paying quite alot of money to intel to use the x86 technology patents.
Also, intel is licensing x86/64 from AMD.
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Also, intel is licensing x86/64 from AMD.
AMD and Intel are cross licensing many patents in order to operate.
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What if amd was lying about everything and bulldozer had 3d transistors and just blew the worlds minds at launch! (not happening but think of the insanity)
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Just because something is the biggest thing in a few years, doesn't necessarily mean it will be an immediate game-changer, or a game changer at all. (ie. Electric car... Died before it ever really took off... Speaking of which, I'm not sure why companies are trying that again...) I think future R&D needs to go into graphene chips, not towering silicon.

I think it's a brilliant idea and great progression, but all that this is right now are claims. We don't have any evidence that it will actually run 30-some-odd% cooler in practice other than nifty 3D marketing copy.



Ah, yes. Well the core series of chips have been great performers since the first Core2Duo. I'm still stunned how well my E4300 overclocked. I feel that Sandy Bridge was an anomaly in that predictions were almost dead on.

The electric car fails because of all the power oil & gas companies have in the world. They don't want to lose their business and they have a lot of say in the world.

I think AMD is toast though .
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The electric car fails because of all the power oil & gas companies have in the world. They don't want to lose their business and they have a lot of say in the world.

I think AMD is toast though .
lol.. More like the fact no one wants to pay $30,000 - $50,000 for a car that can only go 70 miles (chevy volt, according to the EPA will be getting an average of 35 miles.. lol) before it needs to recharge, let alone less mileage if you have the AC on or the radio.

Anyways, I really hope AMD can keep up.. If it wasn't for them, we would be using itanium processors for our 64 bit needs and still be using processors based off of netburst :[
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