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1600MHz Ram is totally unnecessary, you could probably shave some euro off and just go with 1333, I also think 1TB of HDD space is unnecessary, but it's your call.
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1600MHz Ram is totally unnecessary, you could probably shave some euro off and just go with 1333, I also think 1TB of HDD space is unnecessary, but it's your call.
I know, but we both have it ? Right ? Why didn't we buy 1333 ? Sorry not trying to be arrogant, maybe you are right, just trying to figure this out slowly with all of your help. I am not a expert in this. I am appreciating any critics on my list, maybe you are also right on this 1TB, she downloads movies etc and she has a big ass HD flat screen, so I was thinking ahead on storage for HD movie downloads of 10GB or more per movie.
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Oh, that bad ? Hmmm, thought this Core2Duo story was also a bit adged, but seems I was wrong. Never been investigating Intel that much.
But I don't wanna go for DDR2, better get her something in DDR3. I will see her tomorrow and will talk some sense into her regarding the budget. Better to go Phenom II x4. Or perhaps wait a month or 2 and then go for Llano as suggested by a few good men in this topic.
You can get the Phenom II X4 955 for only $121 from Amazon, which is a great deal. If you go that route, though, I don't think you'd be able to put a dedicated GPU on it. In day-to-day situations a dual-core is more than sufficient unless you're a power user and, like I said, the Core 2 Duo is significantly faster clock-for-clock than Zacate. Just to give you an idea of how much faster, go here:

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In other words, one of the lowest end Core 2 Duos is more than 2x as fast as the AMD E-350. Put a mainstream one into the ring, assuming something like a 2.93GHz clock speed, and it looks like this:

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More than 3x faster.

Again, I think the wisest idea would be to stay with the current CPU, buy a new motherboard, new RAM, new GPU, over-clock, and get a better system overall.
    
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I know, but we both have it ? Right ? Why didn't we buy 1333 ? Sorry not trying to be arrogant, maybe you are right, just trying to figure this out slowly with all of your help. I am not a expert in this. I am appreciating any critics on my list, maybe you are also right on this 1TB, she downloads movies etc and she has a big ass HD flat screen, so I was thinking ahead on storage for HD movie downloads of 10GB or more per movie.
I understand your concern for the 1TB HDD, and I agree. As far as the RAM speed goes.. I got 1600 because it was on sale, but you, and especially the person that is going to be using this computer will not notice anything different from 1333 to 1600 RAM.
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You can get the Phenom II X4 955 for only $121 from Amazon, which is a great deal. If you go that route, though, I don't think you'd be able to put a dedicated GPU on it. In day-to-day situations a dual-core is more than sufficient unless you're a power user and, like I said, the Core 2 Duo is significantly faster clock-for-clock than Zacate. Just to give you an idea of how much faster, go here:

Link

In other words, one of the lowest end Core 2 Duos is more than 2x as fast as the AMD E-350. Put a mainstream one into the ring, assuming something like a 2.93GHz clock speed, and it looks like this:

Link

More than 3x faster.

Again, I think the wisest idea would be to stay with the current CPU, buy a new motherboard, new RAM, new GPU, over-clock, and get a better system overall.
Yeah, that's some brutal numbers you showed me there on AnandTech..auch some ass beating...I will think about it, for now: plan A is Llano, plan B is all pre-BD stuff (800 series with PH2 and so on) and plan C will be your idea..I will also let my sister decide in it, because after all, she is the Secretary of Finance in this case.
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I understand your concern for the 1TB HDD, and I agree. As far as the RAM speed goes.. I got 1600 because it was on sale, but you, and especially the person that is going to be using this computer will not notice anything different from 1333 to 1600 RAM.
Ok, is this also the case if you have some good low latency 1333 Memory with a good overclock of the NB ? The difference is not very big? If indeed that's the case, it's indeed something to consider for financial reasons. Good tip!
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Ok, is this also the case if you have some good low latency 1333 Memory with a good overclock of the NB ? The difference is not very big? If indeed that's the case, it's indeed something to consider for financial reasons. Good tip!
I would recommend any ram from G.SkiLL or Corsair. I'm not sure where you'll be buying so I can't really look for you. But the difference between 1600MHz and 1333 is so little you'll only notice differences in benches.. and even then it'll be super small. and hell tighter timing 1333 should outperform the 1600.
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Yeah, that's some brutal numbers you showed me there on AnandTech..auch some ass beating...I will think about it, for now: plan A is Llano, plan B is all pre-BD stuff (800 series with PH2 and so on) and plan C will be your idea..I will also let my sister decide in it, because after all, she is the Secretary of Finance in this case.
Well, there's not much point in getting a Phenom II X4 or Athlon II X4. One, it'll be pretty hard to fit everything else into the budget, and you won't get a dedicated GPU, not to mention she probably won't need the extra computing power. But it's your decision...
    
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I would recommend any ram from G.SkiLL or Corsair. I'm not sure where you'll be buying so I can't really look for you. But the difference between 1600MHz and 1333 is so little you'll only notice differences in benches.. and even then it'll be super small. and hell tighter timing 1333 should outperform the 1600.
Thanks! This is something I can use
It saves money and it will help my sis out, I will be hunting around here in the Netherlands for some low lactency timing 1333 Mem. Thanks for the advise
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Well, there's not much point in getting a Phenom II X4 or Athlon II X4. One, it'll be pretty hard to fit everything else into the budget, and you won't get a dedicated GPU, not to mention she probably won't need the extra computing power. But it's your decision...
But will this also be the case in about 3-4 years? How will games and programs evolve and will she be needing the computerpower ? I dont think she is going to buy a whole new rig every 2 years like I do, so I have to think a little bit ahead on this also. It's difficult indeed when you are on a budget, thats the crappy thing about it. If it would be my choice, I would already know to throw in about 600-700 Euro into it, but yeah it's a womans choice, so I just have to make the best out of it. But it's not easy. Luckely many of you give me good ideas to work with.
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