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But will this also be the case in about 3-4 years? How will games and programs evolve and will she be needing the computerpower ? I dont think she is going to buy a whole new rig every 2 years like I do, so I have to think a little bit ahead on this also. It's difficult indeed when you are on a budget, thats the crappy thing about it. If it would be my choice, I would already know to throw in about 600-700 Euro into it, but yeah it's a womans choice, so I just have to make the best out of it. But it's not easy. Luckely many of you give me good ideas to work with.
I'm not sure what you have picked out for a CPU yet, but if it comes down to an Athlon II X4 vs a Phenom II X4 and your on a budget.. get the Athlon II X4. The Phenom's performance gain is roughly 5% because of the L3 cache.. not worth the extra money especially when on budget.
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300 euros? Isn't that like 3 billion american dollars?
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300 euros? Isn't that like 3 billion american dollars?
Well there was a time that a USD was more worth then a Euro..way in the beginning of the Euro..then came 9/11..then all the banks in the world got too greedy and then boom, there went the dollar ...but still, it's worth something..oil still gets paid in USD. It's still better then a lot of Countries at the moment. Only thing is that the debt of the USA is really insane
Strange for the biggest economy in the world.
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But will this also be the case in about 3-4 years? How will games and programs evolve and will she be needing the computerpower ? I dont think she is going to buy a whole new rig every 2 years like I do, so I have to think a little bit ahead on this also. It's difficult indeed when you are on a budget, thats the crappy thing about it. If it would be my choice, I would already know to throw in about 600-700 Euro into it, but yeah it's a womans choice, so I just have to make the best out of it. But it's not easy. Luckely many of you give me good ideas to work with.
Think about this: Core 2 was made four years ago and provides much more than needed performance for the average user. Zacate is 2-3x slower and is yet acceptable for all but power users. Now you tell me how the situation changes, if at all, in four years. Core 2 is one of the biggest breakthroughs in microprocessor designs in this century. It absolutely smashed Netburst and left AMD scratching their heads. In 2006, Core 2 was overkill. Now, it's just mainstream. In four years it'll be fine as well.

Look here for some insight:

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As you can see, the only real differences are in multi-threaded apps like video encoding and rendering, which I doubt your sister will do. In single-threaded performance Intel wins, and that's what makes the computer overall "feel" faster. Getting the Athlon is useless because now we have GPUs that can do things like decode and encode video while most programs coming out are also GPU accelerated.

TL;DR: Graphics power will make more difference to the average person that CPU power, as long as it [CPU] isn't slow enough to detriment the experience.
    
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Well, I talked to my sis yesterday and she agreed on me that the budget is set to be 400 Euro instead of 300.
Going to wait a bit on details from Llano, told her to wait a bit, especially when prices will fall of the older stuff when BD an Llano come out in June/July.
She agreed on waiting a bit, when actually she wanted to have it sooner.
If benches and more details are available, then I will make a decision what the best idea is.

I will have a think about not investing too much in the CPU and not amazingly high DDR3 memory, but put the focus more on the GPU as more and more is depending on the power of that component. It seems indeed reasonable to take this in to account.
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If you're going with a dual core, you could also use a smaller wattage power supply. A dual core CPU and any GPU will only need around 400 watts for the system.
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Well, I talked to my sis yesterday and she agreed on me that the budget is set to be 400 Euro instead of 300.
Going to wait a bit on details from Llano, told her to wait a bit, especially when prices will fall of the older stuff when BD an Llano come out in June/July.
She agreed on waiting a bit, when actually she wanted to have it sooner.
If benches and more details are available, then I will make a decision what the best idea is.

I will have a think about not investing too much in the CPU and not amazingly high DDR3 memory, but put the focus more on the GPU as more and more is depending on the power of that component. It seems indeed reasonable to take this in to account.
No bad decision.
And indeed, not much overall difference regarding to RAM speed. Any 1,3GHz DDR3 will do fine. AMD tends to prefer lower latency than frequency, Intel prefers the opposite.

The key is to make a balanced system which is not bottlenecking any of your components noticably. And that is the hard part, considering different applications are differently optimized for each of your most vital components (CPU, GPU, HDD, RAM).


But honestly, I'm not sure how well a dual core will do in the future. It has to be some decent cores then.
The number of quadcores keeps increasing, thus more applications benefits from multiple cores.
However, if you can find a decent, cheap dual core, I'm sure it will last a few years. All depending on her needs, of course.

Raw value is a big part in this case.

Good luck !
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But honestly, I'm not sure how well a dual core will do in the future. It has to be some decent cores then.
True. The only dual-cores I'd still purchase with regards to future longevity are the Core i3 Clarkdale or Sandy Bridge. Both offer amazing performance for being just a dual-core. Then again, both cost more than AMD quads (e.g. Athlon II X4).
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Well, first on the list is a quad core when Llano prices are acceptable or if the "older stuff" is even more affordable. If it's going to be dual core, I will probably have to go indeed to the Intel side. I prefer AMD for the bang for buck policy, but you never know. But a quad core is high on the list. That's for sure and I won't be putting Athlon 2 high in that preference list of quad cores. Bring on Llano! Then we can make some decisions!
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